Questioning this administration is not without justification. Painting them as being anything like the nazis is without justification.
Yes, that's what the Germans said when Hitler was taking the Jews.
That isn't literally true but more importantly its logically a worthless argument.
Its true a lot of Germans even German Jews didn't think Hitler was going to be anywhere near as bad as he was. That however is not an argument for comparing anyone else to Hitler. If you told me my cat was like Hitler, and I said that he isn't an oppressive racist killer, you could tell me "a lot of Germans didn't think Hitler was either". You would have shown nothing about my cat, just like you have shown nothing about Bush.
What do you think Commander-in-Chief means? Its not just a title.
No its not just a title, but the president is not personally responsible for the crimes of all government employees, and if he was we would have had to lock up every president in our history.
What do you think Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are?
They are not death camps, or slave labor camps. They are not places where millions of people are getting killed, or even places where systematic fully approved human rights abuses have happened. They aren't vaguely like Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek ect. Even under Saddam Abu Ghraib wasn't like those places (Saddam killed a lot of people but not as many as the Nazi's and not with the same methods, he would shoot them or drop chem weapon bombs on them, not round them up in to death camps in vast numbers). Under American control Abu Ghraib and Gitmo have been more like some of the bad civilian prisons found in the US and other developed democracies then they have been like Hitler's death camps.
My point was whether they call themselves Nazis or Neocons is immaterial to me. Their actions are what I question.
And the actions are entirely different. To the extent that their are legitimate questions about how the government is currently acting your comparisons to the Nazis only server to undercut your argument.
There was no refusal. The votes where counted more then once.
Not statewide.....only a few counties.
In the counties that Gore asked for a recount.
Of course, there was voter fraud and corruption...
Yes there was.
.the system was rife with it.
No solid evidence supports that conclusion.
Some examples: the UN is coopting America's sovereignty; Germany and France are not our allies; we are great and must go it alone.......bla bla bla bla.
That example doesn't make any sense. Not giving Germany and France a veto over our foreign policy is hardly an ultra-nationalist act.
How long to you think that defense will hold water? No one was suggesting allowing G or F to have veto power over us. Its called collaboration.........a policy position that seems to be alien to neocons.
You can only collaborate if you have agreement. We don't have agreement with Germany and France, so the choice for the Bush administration was to do what it thought should be done, or to give G and F a veto. That is what insisting on only acting in collaboration means, it means giving other people a veto on your actions.
Now I understand you think that the choice of action in this case was wrong, but that argument has nothing to do with collaboration. It should be considered separately. If our actions in regards to Iraq where just or unjust doesn't change because of the opinion of Germany, France, Russia ect.
1 - There was no 9/11 with previous administrations.
There was a Pearl Harbor, the War of 1812, the Civil War.......never once have we talked about postponing elections.
Actually they did talk about it in the Civil War, but the idea never went any ware.
Our main disagreement has more to do with our beliefs in the plans and intentions of the administration. You seem to think that they seriously considered delaying the elections and that they floated the idea as a trial balloon to see if they could make it work. I don't. If I shared your opinion in this matter I would share your outrage over the issue. But personally I believe your opinion on this about as much as I believe those who think that Clinton ordered a hit on Vince Foster or those who believe that the CIA ordered the assasination of JFK.
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