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To: Berry Picker who wrote (38421)	9/1/2004 1:46:03 AM
From: alan w	of 39621

So why did you delete your reference to "all the remnant"? You quoted it and then ignored it in your response. You then start quoting non sequitor verses. You ignore Paul's entire discussion about his blood relatives and quote something from another context. Paul is asking in 11- have his blood relatives (whom God hardened against the gospel) stumbled so as to fall? Again I repeat, the remnant are believers (hence they have not been hardened) Paul then says no. He says they are enemies concerning the gospel(the remnant here can't be the enemies of the gospel because they believe the gospel) The unbelieving Jews are the enemies of the gospel. And they are the ones who are beloved because of the fathers. Just deal with this scripture and tell me that Paul is not telling you that his hardened blood relatives will be saved. Go through the verses and see where you have to switch "Israel" from those God hardened to the remnant. The remnant was not calloused, the non believers were. At this point, you pulled a thought from your christian teaching that says "all the remnant" will be saved. It is not scriptural. The calloused are still beloved because of the fathers. They are enemies of the gospel but they are beloved because of the fathers. That is what chapter 11 says without any adding of traditional christian teaching. ALL ISRAEL is to you absolutely without exception every Jew ever born ever - including the evil - even Judas and Esau whom God hated Exactly right. I didn't make them jews, God did. And He inspired Paul to tell you that they are still beloved because of their fathers and that "thus all Israel will be saved". You change "all Israel" to a remnant that has been distinguished as a remnant in this very chapter. Why didn’t Paul say “and thus the aforementioned remnant will be saved”. He didn’t because he wasn’t speaking of them except around verse 5. After 5 he begins to talk of the unbelieving jews. Not the believing remnant. Now go ahead and try to contradict it by quoting something from somewhere else that was meant to convey a completely different thought other than the spiritual future Paul’s non believing relatives (which is the thrust of this chapter). Huffy.

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