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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: one_less who wrote (145353)9/10/2004 2:31:40 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (4) of 281500
 
Jewell, re: If you believe that you would not suggest that we walk away from Iraq and let the cards fall where they may, unless you are totally committed to advancing some petty partisan agenda at any and all cost including this incredible dishonesty.

What is it that YOU believe? Do you believe in the right of sovereign nations to self determination. Cause if you believe in the right of other nations to choose their own, admittedly tortured and twisting paths to SELF-determination, then you surely don't believe that our leaders in Washington have the power, much less the right, to choose the governors and governments of other nations.

Or maybe you think that the great powers of Europe should have written our constitution and fought for our freedoms? And maybe you think some outside force should have chosen the winning side of our War Between the States? Or maybe you think some other country should have made the decision for us on how much church/state separation was "best" for us? And maybe you believe that some country that wanted our agricultural production had the "right" to implant a repressive, malleable government in the U.S.?

If you say "no" to such questions, then what rationale do you use to justify OUR use of deadly force to create an Iraq that satisfies OUR view of how those people should live?

And if you can answer that one, then tell me what it is in the history of the world that makes you believe we CAN stop the Iraqis from going where ever it is that their history, their culture and their religion takes them?

Busybody politics at the point of a gun; yes, that's really moral and makes good sense, or does it?

How about minding our own business unless we're threatened with imminent harm or unless the WORLD decides to act as a unified body to prevent a sovereign nation from engaging in acts that are so repugnant that the use of military force is authorized. In that event we could expect the use of world resources and cooperation in rebuilding the political, economic and social damage done. That could also minimize the risk that the "good deeds" were done for some other purpose; say securing a base for military forces to perch over the world's most important limited resource-oil.

The bottom line is that if you judge the thinking of those who see things differently as "partisan," if you reflexively accept the killing and dying in Iraq as justified to stop world domination of radical Muslims, if you believe that we have the right and the power to rule the futures of other cultures and other religions, if you ignore the lessons of history revealing that all peoples must find their own path to a better life and that the way to that better life is usually paved with grave mistakes, then, and only then, can you find logical support for the approach we're taking in Iraq and for your support of it.
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