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To: i-node who wrote (204823)	10/3/2004 2:20:07 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) of 1573115

But Bush made the most important point of the debate (lost on 90% of the viewers) when he hammered the idea that Kerry would be able to convince other nations to join him in the "wrong war at the wrong time", etc. It is pure and utter nonsense. Perhaps. Then again Kerry may be able to get the UN to take part in rebuilding Iraq (something really easy to support morally and politically) that destroying Iraq. I'm no UN fan, but its not hard to imagine Kerry saying in January '05 that we are pulling out 40k US troops in September '05, UN get off your fat asses and replace them or what the hell is your function, and getting a reasonable response. George would definitely get the cold shoulder. I agree with Powell's assessment -- we broke it, we bought it. It is our war. And that's as it SHOULD be. Well I don't want US troops in Iraq for 10-20 years fighting a guerilla war if it stays broke. It is totally, abundantly clear that the elections will happen on schedule. I believe it is highly likely we'll apply stepped up pressure against the insurgents over the next couple of weeks to bring about an end to it. Hope you're right. We'll see. Your pitch sounds good, however, it also may happen that in each of these "stepped up pressures" Abdul's brother gets killed in the fighting, so Abdul and his three cousins join the insurgency. We'll see. And I still prefer the idea of leaving as soon as possible (Kerry) to staying as long as it takes. If its not working in a year, it may not work at all. It would be great if everything is hunky dory in 12 months, but if not how many years until you call the whole activity a failure?? There is no question that democracy in Iraq will have a tranformational effet on the Mideast, Uh huh. Democracy in Turkey didn't transform Iraq. How is democracy in Iraq going to "transform" Saudi Arabia? This I gotta hear. The key weakness in your argument is where you make the leap of faith that concludes democracy and stability in Iraq are just around the corner (when the escalation in violence and dead indicate the opposite), and the resulting bliss will "transform" the Middle East. I have a hard time imagining what is going to transform Saudi Arabia's billionaire Islamic fundamentalist society into anything acceptable to the world. Much of the Middle East thinks the Saudis are wacko - how are they magically going to be transformed? Elroy

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