"There can only be natural rights if there is natural Law"
The context of my comment was clear, and if you do not understand it, I will make it clearer still. I have told you in the past that "Natural Law" as a concept involves various competing ideas from many sources down through the centuries. When I say that justice is a "natural right", I mean it is a right which derives validity from the nature of human beings. As rational beings we have reasoned concepts of what is and is not fair. My point is that (as I said) one does not need to EARN justice. Although all cultures and people differ as to what fair treatment is....there is a rational consensus everywhere that one does not "earn" the right to be treated fairly. As to what IS considered fair...well that is all relative. But we have divorce courts, judges, and armies to sort all that out...
"What's phony about it"
Treatment which punishes people for freedom of religion...for not grovelling before a particular creature--especially when the purported words, deeds, and values of that creature offend all that is good and decent in rational and compassionate people--THAT is a phony justice.
"You do the crime you pay the time"
I've told you a thousand times. It is not a crime to be born into a culture, a color, a religion, or a nationality. So murdering all those tribes in the bible and then torturing them in Hell for eternity was not punishing any crime. It WAS the crime. Murdering all those parents and then raping their virgin daughters was not punishment for crime. It WAS the crime. Protecting Lot for offering his daughter for gang rape WAS the crime. And on and on and on. You just don't get it. Do you have no innate sense of what fair treatment entails??
"You are in for a big shock at some point and you will have to admit that God's judgment is accurate and just"
Maybe you ought to read the bible with your brain open for once. Are you afraid to understand what you are reading? Does the dung and the rape and the absurdities and the cruelties just pass through a vacuum?
"I can't possibly respond to the avalanche of nonsense that Dan Barker rattles off"
I know you can't--because it is all quoted scripture! And you cannot defend the inanities and insanities of scripture anymore than you can defend Jesus being a "colt" thief! LOL!
In 1870 He would have been hanged!
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And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
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Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
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And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
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And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
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And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
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And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
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And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
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And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way
AND WHAT IS ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT SPREADING THEIR CLOTHES IN THE WAY! WHAT A HOOT! |
