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To: TimF who wrote (91866)	12/22/2004 10:50:04 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (3) of 793914

Both elements you list exist, as well as other extreme groups, but I don't think either element has taken over. I know conservatives better than liberals so I'll let someone else speak for the liberals but very few conservatives want things to be much like what they where 100 years ago. Some want it like the 1950s (but without segregation and Jim Crow, and with the economic growth and technological change that has occurred since then). What you describe as conservatives sound like Eisenhower and Rockefeller Republicans. I doubt they represent more than 5 to 10 percent of conservatives. If you listen to what most people who attend NASCAR races, want to own a gun, want to pre-emptively kick butt, and defend our flag (right or wrong) at any cost - probably represent the majority of people on the right of the political spectrum - I don't think they are talking about economic growth and the implication of Jim Grow vis a vis human rights. On the other hand, I think for the most part, these are pretty good people and potentially very good people. They are being misled by "conservative intellectuals" and are encouraged to continue to believing in the their worst fears. By that I mean people like William F. Buckley and Bill Kristol. Tell me that they admire these people and have a lot in common with them. The bottom line however is that Bill Clinton and George W Bush are pretty good proxies for the two opposing views. As "true liberal" and a "true conservative", or as the radicals that you talk about? They both use the political spectrum to their advantage. Bill Clinton is more open minded and is also more likely to openly tell lies. George W. Bush is an untreated alcoholic. He has a lot of unresolved issues. In a lot of ways he shares many of the same fears and loathings of people who did not have the advantages that he has had. Bush does not like to think things through. He does not like complexity. He likes things to be simple. Neither is "true" to anything other than what is in their own personal interest. The difference is that what is foremost in Clinton's mind, he could do privately and concensually, but what must go on in Bush's mind could be frightening.

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