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Politics : A US National Health Care System?

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To: fresc who wrote (141)1/15/2005 12:30:00 AM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 42652
 
Guns are freedom?

Guns are physical objects. Laws against you having them are limits to your freedom.

40m no healthcare, Freedom?

1st of all you don't have 40 million people with no access to healthcare in the US but if it was true it would be neither freedom nor lack thereof, just as my not owning a new car or a nicer house is neither. But Canada's health system does limit your freedom, not as much as many other forms of socialized medicine as it is only single payer not single provider but it still limits your freedom.

FIRST and FOREMOST, We as Canadians have the CHARTER OF RIGHTS and FREEDOMS!

And the US has the bill of rights and other important legal and constitutional principles. But there are plenty of restrictions of our freedom in the US as well, although probably slightly less then in Canada. What is your point?

Gays have the same rights as anyone else, same sex marriage

This is starting to get further off topic but I'll continue it for now as long as we don't get complaints. Same sex marriage isn't a matter of freedom. It might be considered a matter of equal treatment, it might considered a matter of fairness but while both can be good things they are not the same thing as freedom. Laws against having homosexual sex or homosexual relationships would be restrictions against freedom and we did used to have such laws in the US, in some states, until recently, but we don't anymore.

You are FREE up here

I never said that Canada is a stalinist state. It is what would generally be called a free country. Freedom isn't an all or nothing thing. Canada isn't a stalinist state, and the US isn't a totally free country either. In fact their pretty close as far as I can tell. My point was simply that a single payer system is a reduction in freedom (esp. if it is a strict single payer system with no other insurance and no private setting of prices that may be different than what the government will pay for or allow), and the taxes to pay for it (like any other taxes, including those for American government programs) reduce freedom.

Tim
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