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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Neocon who wrote (156648)1/20/2005 3:09:12 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
Hi Neocon; Re: ""He who has the power uses it": another hopeless platitude."

It's an obvious remark, but it's one that you repeatedly ignore, or plaster over with pious platitudes.

Re: "It was not a case of the arbitrary expression of power ..."

Here you admit that the Zionist movement was an exercise of power, but you claim that it is distinguished by not being "arbitrary". This is a moral distinction that exists only in the eye of the beholder and has meant little over the past few thousand years.

The reason your comments on the morality of historical activity in the Middle East are useless, from the point of view of the foreign policy of the United States, is that it is quite clear that the two sides are equally convinced of the rightness of their cause.

To argue that one or the other is right or wrong is pointless, unless you think we should be entangled in the mess. What I'm doing here is pointing out that both sides have very good cases against the other, so we are not in a position to make a choice based on moral grounds.

Re: "... but of an ethnic identity built on repatriation to an ancient homeland ..."

What's the point here? The Palestinian movement is built on repatriation to a modern homeland. Certainly modern is more important than ancient.

There's a legal principle to the effect that after you abandon a land for a certain number of years, it can be taken by "adverse possession". In the US, the number of years required for adverse possession to kick in is far, far, far less than the nearly many hundreds or even thousands of years you're backdating the Jewish ownership of these regions.

No nation on this planet has a "right of return" that bridges time periods like you're attempting to justify here. The legal argument is simply bogus.

Re: "... and misgivings about the security of the Jews in Europe, especially in the East."

I would guess that there are misgivings about the security of Arabs living in Israel or OT.

What you're doing here is trying to drag the US into a pointless and endless foreign war (entanglement) of the sort that many of our leaders have explicitly warned us against. As long as there is no nation or military alliance that threatens us, we have no cause to get involved with the details of who done what to whom over the past three thousand years in an Old World whose barbarism is second to nothing this planet has ever seen.

-- Carl
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