You are naive. Amazingly so. The intent and purpose of the American Communist Party never changed during thw entire Cold War: they spied on the US and, if it ever became possible, intended to seize control of the US govt. They were funded by Moscow. That is proven and is not subject to debate. For a party of their supposed size, they were AMAZINGLY wealthy.
<Where did all the money come from ?>
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I never thought Nazi equals leftist.
And yet the fact is that compared to the US or Britain at the time, Nazi Germany WAS quite socialistic. Intentionally so.
<Why in the presentation by PBS on the S.S. and on Auschwitz then does it talk about just the opposite. ?>
I always said it was at RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE party.
Am I a Nazi? Buschman? Jagfan? wstera? longnshort? Dierks? JLA? Karin? sandintoes?
<Why do you put yourself and these people in that category. I did not make any allegations about anyone. Why do you ?>
The intent of that remark is quite often to imply your opponent is just that. If you think so, I can produce some of the "debates" I used to have with Evil Vermin. Believe me, I was far from being on his side. Graiine doesn't like being reminded of it now, but she once commended me for one of my attacks on Evil.
< I do not know Evil Vermin or to whomever you are referring.. so I fail to understand your response>
Hitler thought them sub human and three million Soviet prisoners of war were exterminated.
Hitler thought gays subhuman. Does that mean gays are Communists?
<The only thing mentioned about being subhumans were the soviet prisoners ad Jews. However, the innuendo was there that political opponents and gays were included in those imprisoned. I do not see the correlation you mention about Gays by themselves.. as a lot of people were imprisoned but some were negated by being called subhumans >.
Remember Russia did terribly in it's war with Finland
Yes. They did extremely poorly with what appeared to be a 3rd-rate power, but one prepared and ready and willing to defend its liberty.
and there were many Americans who thought we never should have sided with Russia in the war. I lived with a family who thought that we should have gone along with Germany..
There were many Americans who sided with Russia too. They were commonly Communists.
<I think all Americans wanted Russia to win.They were on our side >
It was not a BAD thing in the forties to be friendly toward communism..
Oh. OK. Then it was not a BAD thing to be friendly with Saddam when we had problems with Iran either, was it? You SURE you want to push that point?
> Again do not see the correlation. We were friendly with Saddam in his fight against Iran. Even Rummy was there to visit.> When it serves us we are friendly...>
<It seems that when Stalin's attitude toward us changed and sharing stopped and we developed the A BOMB that the atmosphere changed.>
It should never have been particularly friendly. Stalin was as genocidal and ruthless a( dictator as Stalin.)?????? And, in spite of its alliance with the USSR, the US officially NEVER had any intention of sharing the Bomb with Russia. It was STOLEN by spies were American Communists- -agents of a foreign gov't.
I remember in 1948 professors having to take the Loyalty Oath. This was a big Ado at college..
When you look at their positions of influence and Communist philosophy (remember "The Dictatorship of the Proletariat"?), maybe that was justified.
Do you think it acceptable now for a professor to teach that all Muslims should be exterminated?
<Professors I knew did not teach communism. They taught math,physics etc. Their teachings did not include social studies or politics.>
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The government started to become Repressive...
How so? I remember very few arrests or trials?
<Fired. Lost jobs.>
I know some professors who refused to sign on matter of principle.. It was an antithesis to being an American.
To be asked to certify that you are not an agent of a foreign govt when taking a govt job?
McCarthy started making head lines about Communism. I think that he was a drama Queen.
No doubt. He lied too and was clearly inconsistent. He was anti-Communist and a good part of the reason was political popularity. It dies seem like he was on the right track, though. There was in fact Communist infiltration of the govt.
<I do not remember there being a great infiltration. There was Chambers... others in the State Dept. whose names escape me but the few there were discovered.>
and I never believed that that form of Government threated us
Suma, THE USSR WAS A DICTATORSHIP! STALIN MURDERED AN ESTIMATED 20 MILLION RUSSIANS IN COLD BLOOD FOR NO CRIME!
Need I say more?
<I do not nor did I ever support Stalin. I am merely going back to refresh history from my perspective having been there and having been witness to some of it. Not all.>
BETTER DEAD THAN RED
BETTER DEAD THAN RED.
They can have American democracy when they take it from my cold dead fingers.
We were the ones with the A BOMB, I believe Americans who fed Russia information thought that they deserved it as they had fought with us in the war and had been responsible for the Allied victory along with us.
They did it to advance Communist purposes, Suma. Face the facts. Many of them, such as Richard Feynman, Harold Urey, Ernest Lawrence, Robert Oppenheimer, Leo Szilard, Eugene Wigner, Otto Frisch, Felix Bloch, Niels Bohr, Emilio Segre, James Franck, Enrico Fermi, and Edward Teller (world famous physicists all) participated in the Manhattan Project and DID NOT do so. And Oppenheimer was later barred from such work. Yet he STILL did not turn traitor.
So you think having a common enemy justifies giving them the bomb? Should we have given it to Saddam?
<I still do not see the correlation. Saddam was not our ally in a war against Facism.. It's a different time different place.>
The Rosenberg's were electrocuted because they passed along the TOP SECRET.. Allegedly.
Not "allegedly". They did it. It's recorded in the KGB's own files.
<I have seen literature including the uncovering of material that will debate this. Greenglass might have been involved and Ethel and Julius would not turn against family. They sons have spent years to prove their innocence...and last documentary I saw seemed to indicate they had.>
I do not believe that persons friendly to Russia were friendly to encourage the over throw of our Democratic form of government. Rather they saw us turning our back on an ally.
Depends on how friendly they were. If they engaged in espionage, they deserved a DP.
<I knew of not one who actually engaged in espionage.. I think there as a name fellow traveler which meant sympathetic to but not against the U.S. Again I might be naive.>
Should we have sent in the US army in 1991 to prop the Commissars so we didn't abandon a govt that once was an "ally"?
<Things changed. Time passed and at the time we did not know what a villain Stalin was. All this was unearthed. Timing is everything. >
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