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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (159979)4/1/2005 6:26:50 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "Orca, Saddam had a long love affair with every system of advanced weaponry known to man."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "He had (and used) chemical weapons against the Iranians ..."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "... and the Kurds, ..."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "... he had a nuclear program ..."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "... he had a bioweapons program ..."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "... he tried to develop a super gun."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "When sanctions he fell on him he tried to evade them with every strategem of non-cooperation and bribery he could come up with."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "He lost billions of revenue due to the sanctions, but never complied with them."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "This is not contested by anybody. Or perhaps I should add, by anybody with actual knowledge of Iraq. Some people think saying "no" is an argument, whatever the facts."

Agreed, but still, this is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "So what is it that makes you believe that intelligence services somehow "knew" that Saddam was doing all this for no reason, since he was innocent of every sanctions-busting missile and WMD, and that I must have been brainwashed by Hannity to believe otherwise?"

Intelligence services didn't know much about Iraq, Saddam, Iraq's WMD programs or Saddam's motivations. But this is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Re: "The French had literally billions of reasons to want to give the inspectors "time to do their work", not one of which had anything to do with the actual state of Saddam's weapons programs."

This is not proof that Saddam had WMDs in 2003. In fact, the evidence obtained by the US after the war indicates that Saddam had no such weapons.

Face the facts. You, Bush, and the French never had proof that Iraq had WMDs in 2003. The best of what you had was educated guesses, but my educated guess was that there were no such weapons (in 2003). I was right and you were wrong, get over it. When Bush said he had proof of Iraqi WMDs he was wrong. He was either lying or mistaken.

-- Carl
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