You make a distinction between kurds and sunnis? ... that's unusual ... so is your argument there, because the sunni arabs are in fact less indigenous to that part of Mosul than are the sunni kurds, they arrived only a moment ago in history, during Saddam's arabisation programme, which started in earnest when, during the time he was fighting the iranians, if memory serves, probably less than twenty years ago ... difference between the two ethnicities is linguistic and cultural, not religious, btw, a few of the arabs there are shia, a few kurds are christian, jewish, and other, but very few of either group are other than sunni muslim ... according to a post here long ago, probably by Carl Bilow
In any case no one on SI is promoting an Excludostaat project by either of them, so your 'point' is moot ... there is a single Excludostaat ballyhooed here, the one most recently established by people who should have known better, and who set it up on other people's land to boot - that of the zionists
So many weird tangents in your post, where to start, given short time, hmm ... yes, people conquered by Napoleon, or fighting against him, were subjects of empires ... what happened in the process was, they learned a few things, began to self-identify quite differently from before ... long story, look it up, roots of german nationalism might be a start, then that of peoples around them
That's right, Napoleon didn't live all that long ago, closer to 200 years than 150, but you've got the idea ... peace of Westphalia, 357 years, lined up against tens of millennia of history you can call it a big or little fraction, suit yourself
This particular large-part-englishman doesn't consider 'english' an ethnic nationalism, but rather a civic form ... other englishmen might argue that, Enoch Powell certainly would have, but screw him, i'll decide ... most are aware of the way ethnicities merged on that little island, imho .... arguably your point in that sentence would have made more sense with France and Germany, until they started really rolling with this Common Market business, seem to be coming to their senses in re ethnic nationalism, and they both have lots of recent immigrants
Refraining from invading each other probably helps knock back the ethnic nationalism ... threat from outside builds it, increases its potential for evil ... examples abound, both zionists and extremist palestinians will be among them
'Everybody wants an "excludostaat" by your definition...yet you use the word only for the Zionists.'
Not everybody, and very very few intelligent literate informed well-travelled people, imho .... it is a stupid thing to want, ignorance of the alternatives is the only passable excuse, and only temporarily useful, pending education as to which species the ignorant pertain
'Because you feel that the French and the Germans and the Kurds and the Tibetans deserve a state, but Jews do not.'
The very next sentence, and you switch from 'Zionists' to 'Jews', as if the two were interchangeable ... they are not, many jews quite righteously oppose zionism period, and more oppose its current form of Excludostaat ... the french, germans, kurds, and tibetans all have country on which live their nation, where they can set up a state if no one else stopped them - this is not the case with zionists, who park theirs on another people's country .... where, like the very jewish Gush Shalom says [or is it jewsagainstzionism.com?], 'A foreign jew has "right of return" to Palestine, but a native palestinian does not.'. |
