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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: geode00 who wrote (163652)6/5/2005 5:25:33 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
Geode, you obviously have no idea what libertarianism is about if you think it's dog eat dog rule of the jungle.

<If you're going to be a libertarian then BE ONE FOR REAL. Go to the hinterlands of Afghanistan where it's Darwin at the point of a gun. There are apparently no laws in about 1/3rd of that country so you can do as you like there as well. >

Until you get the premises right, you can't develop the ideas. It's like building a bridge. First you need foundations. If the foundations are in the wrong place, or of faulty design, you won't have a bridge.

<Do you equate traffic laws as slavery?>

Some traffic laws are pretty stupid, but some are intended to avoid undue risk and to enable people to progress. For example, if people drove on either the left or right side of the road, there would be too many collisions. So people are required to drive on one side. Similarly with speed. The idea is to avoid reckless driving and excessive risk. A probabilistic harm isn't actual harm to somebody else, but it's still a threat which should be removed.

<Do you equate paying income taxes as slavery?>

I didn't use to, but nowadays, in New Zealand, income taxes are pretty much slavery. That's because the money is not spent on community benefit but private benefit [welfare, medical care, government rorts and what is euphemistically called education].

When somebody conscripts somebody else, forcing them to be cannon fodder somewhere, dying in the process, it looks like slavery to me. That's what slavery was. Americans conscripted negroes and forced them to do what they were told for the benefit of those doing the ordering. You are proposing to choose people by age and gender, rather than skin melanin content. That is just another way of defining the slave.

The person becomes a slave when they are forced against their will to provide benefits to other people.

I don't intend to "get off the grid" thanks. Why don't you get off the grid [whatever that means]?

Supply and demand is the balance between buyers and sellers. Buyers and sellers are people indulging their freedom to buy and sell what they want at prices they agree.

Of course we need laws to stop people attacking others or their property, defrauding them or putting them at risk. Where on Earth did you get the idea that I disagree with that?

Check out libertarianz.org.nz for some understanding of what libertarians think.

Mqurice
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