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To: Slagle who wrote (64880)6/12/2005 3:43:30 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (4) of 74559
 
Slagle,

Re: but to coordinate all this would have required amazing talents and resources.

Just the sort of compartmentalized "black ops" that the U.S. military and intel communities have been honing for the past 70 years.

Are you aware of the P2OG? Operation Northwoods? The Phoenix Project?

Rogue elements within the U.S. government and in the shadowy netherworld of covert operations beyond the government should be of overwhelming concern to anyone naive enough to think that we still have anything resembling a democracy in the U.S. today.

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Re: I have to admit that there is lots about the whole business that smells. It could have been an inside job though and if it was such an operation that would explain much that has happened in the aftermath.

It's nice to see that we are in agreement about this.

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Re: But I have one really big problem with these folks who set out to offer an alternate explanation as they seem to get all wound up in the idea that a big fuel oil fire could not "melt" the steel tubing building columns.

The most valid of the questions being raised about the collapse of the three WTC towers is not concerned with the loss of strength of the A36 structural steel columns. Rather, the question to focus on is how the government's official explanation of a gravitational collapse in any way explains the high velocity ejecta from the buildings as they collapse. Shaped charges and controlled demoltion easily explains the spreading of the building debris at rates up to 300 feet per second, whereas the official story of a gravitational collapse completely fails to explain the pattern of destruction that has been captured on various video and still camera shots.

In this remarkable photo, we see a woman in the gaping hole in WTC-1, clearly indicating that the temperature in that part of the building could not possibly be hot enough to weaken any structural steel element:

911research.wtc7.net

There is dramatic evidence of demolition squibs in the following photographs and videos:

911research.wtc7.net

This particular photo shows a premature detonation occurring several floors below the main dust cloud:
911research.wtc7.net

It is this sort of energetic horizontal exploding force that has created millions of skeptics regarding the "official story" of a gravitational collapse.

Please also review the videos available at Re0pen 9/11 for an excellent idea of why so many people no longer believe the official story.

reopen911.org

WhatReallyHappened.com discusses the heat/fire issue and concludes that rather than the fires causing the collapse of the towers, it was precisely because the fires were either going out or being successfully knocked down by the FDNY that the operators triggered the collapse of South Tower less than an hour after the plane crash. More photographic analysis here:

whatreallyhappened.com

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Re: This would take a while, but even with the cement intact the interior columns would have reached dangerous temperatures as long as that fire raged.

This is a red herring that has no application to the situation at the WTC towers. Furthermore, structural steel turns out to be an excellent conductor of excess heat. Tests of steel framed parking structures in several countries prove that even raging petroleum fires in these open framed structures simply cannot raise the temperature of structural steel beyond about 400 degrees Centigrade, a temperature at which the steel retains plenty of strength considering the gravitational loads imposed.

corusconstruction.com

Furthermore, the government never madet the claim that the 47 super-heavy steel columns in the core of both WTC 1 and 2 were in any way damaged below the elevation at which the planes impacted the building. Thus, this steel was completely intact and servicable at the time that the collapses commenced. This being the case, if the "pancake" theory were anything other than wishful thinking and fantasy, we should have seen the floors collapsing around a rigid core structure, much as old phonograph records would collapse around the central spindle. But that is not what happened.

What did happen is that explosives pulverized the concrete in the WTC towers in a fashion that no gravitation effect has ever done, but which every controlled demolition routinely does.

.... and then the government hauled off all the evidence before forensic investigators could examine the site. Pretty damn suspicious.

Enough so to cause the editor of Fire Engineering Magazine to cry foul and call the FEMA investigation a "half-baked farce".
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