Very skillful steering by Medved. He doesn't let Lazare shift the argument to the Left's favorite talking points:
How do you explain those demonstrations long before Iraq even became an issue?
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if people say things like we need a million Mogadishus, Mogadishu, of course, referring to the 18 American special forces and rangers who were killed and dragged through the streets in Somalia, if somebody says that, isn't it safe to assume that the person who says that we need a million episodes like that is someone who hates America?
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You appear to have just sort of shifted focus here....David made very specific allegations about the Communist associations, and the America-hating association of very prominent people who led the two leading peace organizations. Do you think that those charges are true? [This the BIG WIN. Medved cuts off the reflexive Leftist refrain 'but it's all about America' at the knees. He doesn't allow America to become the subject.]
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Daniel, if that's true [that Leslie Cagan is a Communist], is that relevant?...Relevance that maybe she hates America?
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All right. We will get back to this very important conversation, and I think you've just framed it very well, Daniel. Is there any important connection between hating America and supporting the international jihadist movement? [Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore. Lazare will not be forced to discuss Horowitz' thesis, which he starts off by denying.]
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...someone was holding a very large sign that said, "Hang on, Fallujah." Now, do you think that – do you feel some sympathy for the so-called insurgents in Fallujah?...You do? [Lazare just admitted sympathy for the insurgents. Horowitz cracks, "so who's the sophist here?"]
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Daniel Lazare, I want you to think very carefully about whether you want to compare the people in Fallujah, who do regularly blow up Americans, civilians, schoolchildren, power plants, women, and children, if you want to compare those people to the French resistance to the Nazis, which you just did. [Lazare sticks with it, and Horowitz makes the obvious response, "Yeah, the other side of the comparison, of course, is the operative one: we are the Nazis." Lazare agrees!]
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You've said unequivocally you think America today in Iraq and presumably around the world is like the Nazis under Hitler.
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Who are the good guys? [after Lazare denies supporting islamo-fascists]...
Okay, you were pro-Soviet regarding Afghanistan, which is what you'd call a courageous position...[Lazare tries to blame the US for Osama bin Laden]
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Okay, so your basic position, as you've indicated, is sympathy for the Communists in Afghanistan and the “insurgents” in Fallujah. I hope, Daniel Lazare, that that doesn't lead you to applaud and to cheer when American Marines and civilians, Iraqi civilians, are blown up by those people, but your words leave me with no other conclusion. |
