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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (47766)	11/9/2005 12:25:16 PM
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the BBC Online Blair defeated over terror laws Prime Minister Tony Blair has lost the key House of Commons vote on plans to allow police to hold terror suspects without charge for up to 90 days. MPs rejected the plans by 322 votes to 291 - a majority of 31. It is the government's first defeat since Labour came to power in 1997. The defeat will be seen as a blow to the authority of Mr Blair, who said MPs had a "duty" to support the police. MPs are now voting on a compromise detention time limit of 28 days. The vote will be seen as a blow to the prime minister's authority. But the defeat does not mean Mr Blair will have to stand down as prime minister - something he has said he will do before the next election. Labour usually has a House of Commons majority of 66. 'No police state' The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and some Labour backbenchers said the 90-day plans went too far. Civil liberties groups compared the proposal to internment - a charge rejected by ministers. In his final plea for MPs to back the plans, Mr Blair urged MPs to take the advice of the police who had foiled two terrorist plots since the 7 July attacks in London. In heated exchanges at prime minister's questions, Mr Blair said: "We are not living in a police state but we are living in a country that faces a real and serious threat of terrorism." Ministers tried to reassure waverers by promising that the new laws would expire unless MPs renewed them in a year's time. Conservative leader Michael Howard warned that the detention plans could alienate ethnic minority communities. Shuttle diplomacy? Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy said the measure would almost certainly be defeated in the House of Lords, where two ex-law lords had called it "intolerable". The prime minister admitted he could lose the vote but argued: "Sometimes it is better to lose and do the right thing than to win and do the wrong thing." In a sign of the importance given to the vote, Chancellor Gordon Brown was called back within minutes of arriving in Israel for a high profile visit. And Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also flew back early from EU-Russia talks in Moscow. Story from BBC NEWS:

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