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Politics : Should God be replaced?

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To: LLCF who wrote (22895)11/9/2005 1:51:27 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (2) of 28931
 
Angels do have sex with people. This religious web site explains the evidence.

othersheep.org

"10. Sex with Angels: Mission Impossible or Live Danger?

In the neoplatonic Christian tradition angels are "spiritual" in the sense of nonmaterial beings and hence cannot have sex with anyone. Unfortunately, in the old Sodom story (Genesis 18-19) homophobic preachers have been so busy reading into the text a condemnation of "homosexuality" that they usually fail to notice that the angelic beings there are quite material and threatened with gang rape (though not with marriage, which angels already proved themselves capable of in Gen. 6:1-4, "giants" being the resulting offspring).

The capacity--even proclivity--of angels for sexual experience was recognized and bewailed in intertestamental Judaism and confirmed in Paul's reference to women's need for headcovering in the presence of lusty fallen angels (1 Cor. 11:10; 6:3; 7:5; Theissen 1987:170-175). Jude also canonized this view with his interpretation of the Sodom story as involving sex with "other" flesh--that is angel flesh (v. 7). The correct translation is given in the Jerusalem Bible and spelled out in its note; even scholarly conservative evangelicals recognize that the text is quite clear in the light of the intertestamental literature (Bauckham 1983:54), and that Genesis 6:1-4 also plainly referred to the sexual proclivities of angels (Wenham 1987:138-140, but with a weird ideological twist).

Not only ideological Fundamentalism, but the whole (neoplatonic) Christian tradition has blatently misinterpreted Jude 7 with translations like "perversion" (NIV) that bear no semblance to the original Greek. Ironically, the Greek term "hetero" (see our heterosexual) is commonly translated in such a way ("perversion") that it makes readers think they are reading about a condemnation of homosexuality instead of the author's intended reference to sex with the "other" flesh of angels.

When Jesus spoke of the angels in heaven who "neither marry nor are given in marriage" (Mark 12:25 and //s, distinguishing patriarchal male and female roles), this has been commonly understood as teaching that angels are "spiritual" in the neoplatonic sense of "non-material" ("ministering spirits," Heb. 1:14). If correct, this would appear to contradict the texts from the Old Testament, Intertestamental Judaism, and Jude, which ascribe sexual activity to angels. The ideological incapacity of neoplatonic Christianity to confront these questions is evident in the countless lengthy detailed treatments of "angelology" which discuss every imaginable question about angels except this one. One might suggest that angels could have sexual experiences without submitting to norms of patriarchal marriage, but probably it is preferable to recognize diversity in the Biblical presentation at this point, and something like neoplatonic influence in the concept of angels in Mark 12:25 and Heb. 1:14. In the more mythological early texts to which Paul and Jude refer, the sexual prowess of angels is unquestioned.

Even more important than the sexual question is the fact that angels consistently are represented in Scripture as reflecting God's "preferential option for the poor": they aid Hagar--not Sarah--in Genesis 16; the shepherds in Luke 2--but not Matthew's wise men; Lazarus--but not "Dives"--in Lk. 16 etc. Whether material and sexual themselves, certainly their "ministry" (Heb. 1:14) is significantly material in many texts."
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