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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction

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To: Solon who wrote (41197)11/13/2005 2:37:50 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) of 90947
 
I think that certain acts of inhumanity ought to be construed as a declaration of war--thereby inviting appropriate retaliation. But to violate the sovereignty of another people requires (IMO) a very high bar.
So what is the problem with US intervention in Iraq? The Europeons sure weren't going to. They were much too busy taking Saddam's bribes.

But to violate the sovereignty of another people requires (IMO) a very high bar. I think there are good arguments that Bush and company acted prematurely and with reckless disregard for sovereignty.
You know what happened in Iraq, right?

The Iraqi regime committed its most tragic and horrible crime from the beginning of the imposed war until now against the civilian people on Friday, 18th of March. On that day, Halabja was bombarded more than twenty times by Iraqi regime's warplanes with chemical and cluster bombs. That Friday afternoon, the magnitude of Iraqi crimes became evident. In the streets and alleys of Halabja, corpses piled up over one another. Tens of children, while playing in front of the their houses in the morning, were martyred instantly by cyanide gases.
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What does it take? How many dead? What percentage? If the Canadian gov't did this to its citizens, would you consider revolution justified? I would down here.

Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979-2003): 300 000

* Human Rights Watch: "twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule ... murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis" [http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm]
* 8/9 Dec. 2003 AP: Total murders
o New survey estimates 61,000 residents of Baghdad executed by Saddam.
o US Government estimates a total of 300,000 murders
+ 180,000 Kurds k. in Anfal
+ 60,000 Shiites in 1991
+ 50,000 misc. others executed
o "Human rights officials" est.: 500,000
o Iraqi politicians: over a million

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Yes?

On the other hand, if the United Nations would declare a policy of violating sovereignty in the cases of genocide and other such mass crimes against humanity--I think it would represent progress in the world. But when single countries engage in such interference it is somewhat (shall we say)disconcerting...

Exactly WHO made the UN the world gov't?

Considering its quite apparent corruption and willingness to work with brutal dictators, should it be?
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