But there are so many negatives that outweigh the good that its easy to question what good we are doing there.
What negatives besides the insurgents? You claim there are so many rattle off a dozen.
This guy lists a few:
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and then there is this:
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And this:
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And this:
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But for me, that's not the real issue at all. I don't think we should have been there in the first place.
Like a broken record, we are there and to leave Iraq before they can defend themselves would be criminal beyond what got us into the war.
What was criminal was invading the country as an aggressor. It was against the Geneva Conventions and a few other international laws. That was what was criminal. Something you all don't like to acknowledge. No one gave you or Mr. Bush the right to invade a country.
The right is always complaining about protecting our sovereignty........but its the right who are so quick to step all over another country's sovereignty. It would be ironic if it weren't so destructive.
most Americans are beginning to realize that Iraq was a mistake. They want the war ended
They want us out asap - which is not the same thing as just cutting and running. By all signals it appears a draw down will occur mid 2006, which should create some heat for the Iraqi's to step it up - if it takes the threat of leaving to get them moving faster - I'm OK with that plan.
Yeah, mid 2006 should help the GOP in their Nov. elections.
I disagree. I lived in LA at the time. LA WAS a war zone. For a year after the riots, I heard gunshots every nite before going to bed.
I lived in Hawthorne between 1985-1989, we heard shots and helicopters spot lighting the neighborhood nearly every night - but it never touched us directly.
Sorry.......no comparison, Eric.......1989 was a cakewalk in paradise compared to the year after 1992.
From a TV screen in Korea we saw only the pictures of the violence. When I lived in LA my perception of safety was greater than the TV images when I lived in Korea. The reverse is also true, before I left for Korea, riots in Seoul made me wonder what the hell I had signed up for. When I got there the riots looked completely different, drove right through one once, picked up a tear gas grenade as a souvenir. Speaking with Korean friends I realized the riots were (usually staged) they called the police and would wait for the TV crews before doing their thing. One friend said they even joined protests to simply get out of friday tests they had failed to prepare for, knowing they would lock down the campus and cancel the exam until next monday. Of course some had theirs hearts in it - but the media doesn't cover most issues to any depth.
The LA riots were not a joke......in fact, some called them an insurrection. The city burned for two weeks. The National Guard was called in and we were under curfew for weeks. I don't even know what you're talking about when you mention 1989. There is absolutely no comparison.
France just had two weeks of rioting. I will not be surprised if it happens again in this country. We have several cities on the verge.
My problem with all parties in the Iraq debate and were the media is acting like pawns for the left - is their lack of coverage of the details that would allow the US to actually leave. Instead they obsess about pre-war intelligence, and body counts. I assume the violence will continue in Iraq for a few years, the measure is when can the Iraqi's handle the job on their own - they already take most of the casualties anyway.
The media and many people are obsessed with pre war intelligence because Mr. Bush and company had the balls to start a war on flimsy intel. Now I know you all don't care about the thousands of Americans dying over there or the thousands of Americans coming back with a missing arm or leg or both but some of us do.
From the media I get the impression the metric for success is the body count goes to zero. That's just not realistic, the radicals are going to continue just as they have in several other countries around the world.
Let me just say that you are the ones obsessed.............with "the radicals". Terrorism was a minor problem in the world on 9/12/2001........4 years later, its a huge one. And we have Mr Bush and company to thank for that one.
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