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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction

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To: Solon who wrote (42558)12/5/2005 4:04:12 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) of 90947
 
RE: Saddam's removal was justified, you said;

...."That is just your opinion. The fact of the matter is that this is not a black and white issue."....

My opinion is based on overwhelming facts. Just follow the links.
     "Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its
strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end
sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute
his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were
lifted."
Charles Duelfer - Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence (Iraq Survey Group)

cia.gov

Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD

cia.gov

STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)

fas.org

Key Excerpts from David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee

Senator McCain: "[Y]ou agree with the fundamental principle here that what we did was justified and enhance the security of the United States and the world by removing Saddam Hussein from power?"

David Kay: "Absolutely." "It would be hard to come to a conclusion other than Iraq was a gathering, serious threat"....

...."Iraq was in clear and material violation of 1441. They maintained programs and activities, and they certainly had the intentions at a point to resume their program. So there was a lot they wanted to hide because it showed what they were doing that was illegal. I hope we find even more evidence of that."

"The world is far safer with the disappearance and removal of Saddam Hussein" ....

(more here)
Message 19757747

    In my judgment, based on the work that has been done to 
this point of the Iraq Survey Group, and in fact, that I
reported to you in October, Iraq was in clear violation
of the terms of [U.N.] Resolution 1441.
    Resolution 1441 required that Iraq report all of its 
activities -- one last chance to come clean about what it
had.
    We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both 
documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis,
of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N.
Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under
1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell
the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and
they hid material.....
    ....the unparalleled looting and destruction, a lot of 
which was directly intentional, designed by the security
services to cover the tracks of the Iraq WMD program and
their other programs as well....
DAVID KAY:

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Saddam Funded Terrorists - Duelfer Report

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    I think Iraq was a dangerous place becoming more dangerous,
because, in fact, what we observe is that the regime itself
was coming apart. It was descending into worse the part of
moral depravity and corruption. Saddam was isolated in a
fantasy land capable of wreaking tremendous harm and terror
on his individual citizens, but corruption, money gain was
the root cause.
    At the same time that we know there were terrorist groups 
in state still seeking WMD capability. Iraq, although I
found no weapons, had tremendous capabilities in this
area. A marketplace phenomena was about to occur, if it
did not occur; sellers meeting buyers. And I think that
would have been very dangerous if the war had not intervened...
    ....Iraq remained a very dangerous place in terms of WMD 
capabilities, even though we found no large stockpiles of
weapons.....
DAVID KAY:

Message 19757678


Last fall the Iraqi Survey Group uncovered, quote, "significant information, including research and development of biological weapons, applicable organisms, the involvement of the Iraqi intelligence service in possible biological weapons activities and deliberate concealment activities."

All of this suggests that Iraq, after 1996, further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of biological weapons agents.

The Iraq Survey Group found a network of laboratories and safe houses controlled by Iraqi intelligence and security services that contained equipment for chemical and biological research and a prison laboratory complex possibly used in human testing for biological weapons agents that were not declared to the United Nations.....

.......Before I leave the biological weapons story, an important fact that you must consider: For years the U.N. searched unsuccessfully for Saddam's biological weapons program. His son-in-law, Hussein Kamil, who controlled the hidden program, defected and only then was the world able to confirm that Iraq indeed had an active and dangerous biological weapons program.

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     “I think at the end of the inspection process, we’ll
paint a picture of Iraq that was far more dangerous than
even we thought it was before the war.”
     “It was of a system collapsing. It was a country that had
the capability in weapons of mass destruction areas, and
terrorists, like ants to honey, were going after it.”
     Kay pointed out that prior to the war, the French, the
British, the Germans and the UN “all thought Saddam
(Hussein) had weapons of mass destruction. Not
discovering them tells us we’ve got a more fundamental
problem”.
     He said, “The tendency to say, well, it must have been
pressure from the White House, is absolutely wrong.”
Saddam “was putting more money into his nuclear
programme, he was pushing ahead his long-range missile
programme as hard as he could”.
     “We have collected dozens of examples of where he lied to
the UN, violated Resolution 1441 and was in material
breach,” Kay added. He noted that Saddam “had the intent
to acquire these weapons. He invested huge amounts of
money in them. The fact is that he wasn’t successful”.
David Kay - Iraq Survey Group

Message 19740663

Duelfer Report: Saddam Planned to Restart WMD Programs

Message 20611962

No one could read even a small portion of the report and conclude that "Iraq had no WMDs" is a fair summary of its contents.

Message 20615946

When it comes to Charles Duelfer, the New York Times's motto is "All the News We See Fit to Print."

Message 20616191


Bolstered by the increases in Oil-for-Food revenues that Annan negotiated, Saddam booted the weapons inspectors out of the country in 1998. Oil-for-Food became, increasingly, "Oil-for-Arms."

Message 21041075

The report contains a stunning (but not surprising) accusation that the former head of the $60 billion UN oil-for-food program accepted bribes in the form of vouchers for Iraqi oil sales from Saddam Hussein’s government.

Message 20616595

Far from keeping Saddam in his box, as critics of the war claim, the Duelfer report from the Iraq Survey Group shows how the same nations from whom Kerry craves approval happily supported Saddam's regime

Message 20619450

Duelfer Report: Saddam Bribed Jacques Chirac To Veto War
Message 20611925

SADDAM Hussein believed that the United Nations system was so corrupt that it would protect his dictatorship from American aggression and allow him to complete quickly his quest for weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Message 20619450

The release of the Duelfer report is actually bad news for Kerry

Message 20620010

The focus is on the Duelfer report, it's important to remember that the U.N. inspection regime was about providing positive evidence of Saddam's disarmament

Message 20620056

The Report That Nails Saddam

Message 20622263

MICHAEL BARONE joins with David Brooks in writing that media headlines are underplaying the Duelfer report:

Message 20623841

Misreporting the Duelfer report, again

Message 21273356

No Terrorism in Iraq Before the War?

Message 21063953

Bolstered by the increases in Oil-for-Food revenues that Annan negotiated, Saddam booted the weapons inspectors out of the country in 1998. Oil-for-Food became, increasingly, "Oil-for-Arms."

Message 21041075

    ".......All I can say is if you read the total body of 
intelligence in the last 12 to 15 years that flowed on
Iraq, I quite frankly think it would be hard to come to a
conclusion other than Iraq was a gathering, serious
threat to the world with regard to WMD."
David Kay

In fact, David Kay just last fall said that the Iraq Survey Group, quote, "discovered sufficient evidence to date to conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed to delivery system improvements that would have, if Operation Iraqi Freedom had not occurred, dramatically breached U.N. restrictions placed on Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War."

We have also found that Iraq had plans and advanced design work for a liquid-propellant missile with ranges of up to 1,000 kilometers; activity that Iraq did not report to the U.N. and which could have placed large portions of the Middle East in jeopardy.

We have confirmed that Iraq had new work under way on prohibited solid-propellant missiles that were also concealed from the United Nations.

Significantly, the Iraq Survey Group has also confirmed prewar intelligence that Iraq was in secret negotiations with North Korea to obtain some of its most dangerous missile technology.

Message 19774077

Duelfer also reported that Saddam asked subordinates how long it would take to develop chemical weapons once sanctions ended.
Message 20623841

David Kay: ".......Iraq was in clear and material violation of 1441. They maintained programs and activities, and they certainly had the intentions at a point to resume their program. So there was a lot they wanted to hide because it showed what they were doing that was illegal. I hope we find even more evidence of that."

"The world is far safer with the disappearance and removal of Saddam Hussein"

"I think the world is far safer with the disappearance and the removal of Saddam Hussein. I have said I actually think this may be one of those cases where it was even more dangerous than we thought. I think when we have the complete record you're going to discover that after 1998 it became a regime that was totally corrupt. Individuals were out for their own protection. And in a world where we know others are seeking WMD, the likelihood at some point in the future of a seller and a buyer meeting up would have made that a far more dangerous country than even we anticipated with what may turn out not to be a fully accurate estimate."....

Senator McCain: "So the point is, if he were in power today, there is no doubt that he would harbor ambitions for the development and use of weapons of mass destruction. Is there any doubt in your mind?"

David Kay: "There's absolutely no doubt. And I think I've said that, Senator."....

Senator Clinton: "I think that rightly does raise questions that we should be examining about whether or not the U.N. inspection process pursuant to 1441 might not also have worked without the loss of life that we have confronted both among our own young men and women, as well as Iraqis."

David Kay: "Well, Senator Clinton, let me just add to that. We have had a number of Iraqis who have come forward and said, 'We did not tell the U.N. about what we were hiding, nor would we have told the U.N. because we would run the risk of our own' --

I think we have learned things that no U.N. inspector would have ever learned given the terror regime of Saddam and the tremendous personal consequences that scientists had to run by speaking the truth." That's not to say, and it's not incompatible with the fact that inspections accomplish a great deal in holding a program down. And that's where the surprise is. In holding the program down, in keeping it from break out, I think the record is better than we would have anticipated. I don't think the record is necessarily better than we thought with regard to getting the final truth, because of the power of the terrorist state that Saddam Hussein had."

Message 19757747

RUMSFELD: It's a difficult task.

Think: It took us 10 months to find Saddam Hussein. The
reality is that the hole he was found hiding in was large
enough to hold enough biological weapons to kill thousands
of human beings. Our people had gone past that farm
several times; had no idea he was there.

And unlike Saddam Hussein, such objects once buried can
stay buried. In a country the size of California, the
chances of inspectors finding something buried in the
ground without their being led to it by people
knowledgeable about where it was is minimal.

Message 19771164

The Mother of All Connections

A special report on the new evidence of collaboration
between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.

Message 21492080

Case Closed - The U.S. government's secret memo detailing cooperation between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

Message 19506425
Message 19509006

Saddam and al Qaeda

Message 21499338

That Was Then, This Is Now

Message 21510609

Wow! Watch this video from ABC in 1998. It details links between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and their mutual search for WMD.

Message 21512803

The role of Saddam and al Qaeda in the creation of Ansar al Islam.

Message 21533296

Why did Saddam financially support an al Qaeda affiliate in Algeria?

Message 21570742

The Connection, Illustrated

Message 21615158

U.N. Procurement Scandal: Ties to Saddam and Al Qaeda

Message 21818083

No Terrorism in Iraq Before the War?

Message 21063953

The Senate Intelligence Committee & the links between Iraq
and al Qaeda; Saddam & Terrorism....

Message 20304721

The Reality of Saddam’s Threat

The U.S. could not have delayed dealing with Saddam Hussein

Message 20308905

Butler Report: Bush Didn't Lie!

Message 20316217

No hype needed: Saddam, al-Qaida linked

Message 21918902

Saddam Protected Zarqawi

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Inspections + Verification

Message 20620056

Uh huh. It's always been about "stockpiles" of WMD's & nothing else

Message 21150613
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Message 20911765

Text of UN Resolution 687 AKA "The Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement.

dalebroux.com

UN Resolution 1441

un.int

9/11 Commission Report

9-11commission.gov
Message 20516729

Report on the U.S. INTELLIGENCE Community's Prewar INTELLIGENCE Assessments on Iraq

intelligence.senate.gov

Conclusions (Excerpted From Full Report)

intelligence.senate.gov

Robb Silberman report
Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction

wmd.gov
wmd.gov

Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United
States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction

Message 21188541
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Iraq Survey Group
Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD

cia.gov

Butler Report

butlerreview.org.uk
butlerreview.org.uk
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