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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

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To: haqihana who wrote (720083)12/30/2005 7:32:23 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) of 769670
 
The writers of the Koran took those prophets, and Icons, from the Hebrew books of the Bible, and claimed them as part of their history.

I know. Islam and Christianity have very similar roots.

Where is it written that Abraham ever fashioned a black cube?

"The Black Stone's Origin

There are also various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones. "

crystalinks.com

That would be making an idol, which is against the wishes of God, so the god Islam worships cannot be the same god.

They are not worshiping the stone but the fact that is was made by Abraham who a great prophet to them.

You don't even know who Gabriel was supposed to have visited.

According to the Koran, he visited Mohammad in a cave and told him the Koran overtime. However, Mohammad was illiterate and he told someone else what Gabriel had told him and it was this other guy who wrote it down.

Islam came about long after the Hebrews had started writing the book of the old testament in the Bible. At that time, islam was just a bunch of arabs that wanted to be recognized as more than goat herders, and they went copy cat

So what? The first book written about Jesus was written roughly 40-50 years after his death. There is not public record that he even existed. At least there is public that Mohammad did exist.

If the Islamists don't worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior, as the son of God, then trashing them is defending Christianity.

I don't think so. Islam is in the same family as Christianity with very similar roots. To trash them is to trash Christianity. Besides Christians are the only ones who see Jesus as the son of God. The Jews don't; the buddhists don't, the Muslims don't; the Hindus don't. Most of the world doesn't. You can't hate the Muslims for agreeing with most of the world.

You seem to be sucking up to the Islamists as if they are going to spare you when they continue to kill Christians for no reason. You are a fool!!

At least I'm not stupid and paranoid.

The Jews built Jerusalem, and the arabs wanted to take it away from them. The conflict for Jerusalem between the Arabs, and the Jews, has been going on for thousand of years, and at one time, after the Jews were forcefully spread all over the world, the Arabs grabbed all of Jerusalem because it had no Jews left to defend it from the onslaught.

One time? You need to look more closely at its history. Way back when, Jerusalem was built by pagans. Eventually the Jews had control for a few hundred years. This was before the birth of Christ. It was then taken over by the Egyptians, then the Romans and then the Muslims; then the Christians, and then the Muslims again......at which point, the Muslims held it roughly from 1100 CE til 1948 CE when Israel became independent.

Its why the old city has a Jewish quarter, a Muslim quarter, and a Christian quarter.

"The city of Jerusalem is also called Salem, Ariel, Jebus, the "city of God," the "holy city;" by the modern Arabs "el-Khuds," meaning "the holy;" once "the city of Judah" (2 Chr. 25:28)."

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"Although the Qur'an does not mention the name "Jerusalem", the hadith specify that it was from Jerusalem that Muhammad ascended to heaven in the Night Journey, or Isra and Miraj. The city was one of the Arab Caliphate's first conquests in 638 CE; according to Arab historians of the time, the Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab personally went to the city to receive its submission, cleaning out and praying at the Temple Mount in the process. Sixty years later, the Dome of the Rock was built, a structure in which there lies the stone where Muhammad is said to have tethered his mount Buraq during the Isra. This is also reputed to be the place where Abraham went to sacrifice his son (Isaac in the Jewish tradition, Ishmael in the Muslim one.) Note that the octagonal and gold-sheeted Dome is not the same thing as the Al-Aqsa Mosque beside it, which was built more than three centuries later. Umar ibn al-Khattab also allowed the Jews entry into the city and full freedom to live and worship after 400 hundred years. Jews were allowed to move back into their homes.


The Hereford Mapa Mundi, depicting Jerusalem at the center of the world.Under the early centuries of Muslim rule, especially during the Umayyad (650-750) and Abbasid (750-969) dynasties, the city prospered; the geographers Ibn Hawqal and al-Istakhri (10th century) describe it as "the most fertile province of Palestine", while its native son the geographer al-Muqaddasi (born 946) devoted many pages to its praises in his most famous work, The Best Divisions in the Knowledge of the Climes.

The early Arab period was also one of religious tolerance. However, in the early 11th century, the Egyptian Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of all churches and synagogues in Jerusalem, a policy reversed by his successors. Reports of this were one cause of the First Crusade, which marched off from Europe to the area, and, on July 15, 1099, Christian soldiers took Jerusalem after a difficult one month siege. They then proceeded to slaughter most of the city's Muslim and Jewish inhabitants. Raymond d'Aguiliers, chaplain to Raymond de Saint-Gilles, Count of Toulouse, wrote:"

en.wikipedia.org

You sound like one that has taken Islam as his religion, which is granted to you by the freedom in America. If you went to Teheran and professed to be a Christian, you would soon fear for your life.

I was raised Christian but do not practice any religion in part because of comments like those of yours up above. I believe there is a being greater than us who probably is quite appalled with our behavior on this planet.

I don't want to ever meet the likes of you, or any other of your ilk. You are a boil on the ass of America, and I am totally through with such a low life as you.

That's only a projection on your part. We tend to project that stuff that is bad about us onto others.......it saves us from having to feel responsible and guilty.

However, I am glad you will not be posting back. I do have a bad taste in my mouth from this exchange.

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