Hawk, re: "Again.. you're whole premise is that somehow we're "inflicting" democracy upon Iraqis, a premise I utterly reject as non-sensical.
Democracy is Greek for "people rule"....
Thus, one has to ask exactly how it is that we can "force" people to rule themselves?"
Once again your thought processes are too shallow.
What's nonsensical is your failure to recognize that there is a constant struggle for power in all societies and that the struggle never ends. Those with the greatest will and resources WITHIN the society will rule. If the Iraqi people want to govern themselves they cannot simply "accept" democracy, they have to be willing to fight, to the death if necessary, for the continued right to govern themselves democratically.
What WE cannot do is fight that battle for them and prevail against the others struggling for power in their own country, especially when the people seem to hate us more than they love what we offer.
But that's a red herring, isn't it?
You still refuse to answer my questions concerning what kind of democracy would likely result where a majority of the society is intolerant and brutal. You still refuse to answer any questions about what the facts and realities are telling us about the merits of the "benign democracy" hype used to justify our continued losses in Iraq. You still refuse to answer questions concerning how the war in Iraq could possibly be helping in the fight against Al Queda or in ameliorating the radicalization of the Muslim world and terrorism. And, of course, you still fall back on the "3,000 dead on 9/11" to justify a comedy of errors, incompetence and failed Bush policies.
I've tried three times to engage you in a fact based discussion concerning our involvement in Iraq. I wanted to find out if you had some logical explanation to justify your avid and vociferous support of the Bush "plan." Three times you've responded with empty slogan-like platitudes. Three times you've studiously avoided those issues. Three times is enough for me.
I would like to say, however, that if you truly cannot use the facts and expected norms of human behaviors to provide logical support for your advocacy of a conflict that is costing the lives of our soldiers, then you should just shut the xxxx up. What we don't need are more spinners going on and on about how smart and tough we are while our young come home in boxes and the world winds its way down a deeper and darker path. Ed |
