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To: TimF who wrote (45191)	2/10/2006 8:46:38 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) of 90947

"and the attitude that any violation of any law or regulation is immoral, is itself more harmful to society than speeding by a few miles an hour or drinking moderately during prohibition or other similar harmless actions." One last word. I said I would entertain the question of whether or not attacking social structure (as was done during prohibition) was necessarily a bad thing. Rather than admit the obvious facts that have been put before you in great detail, you slip this red herring in about the morality of attacking society by speeding--or by drinking during prohibition. After all the painstaking picking of teeth I did with you to get you to admit that there was no disagreement on the fact that laws are not perfect and that they may be improved--you intentionally attempt to obscure the current issue of fact (namely that an attack against any rule undermines society--whether that be for good or ill being the question I offered to discuss with you) by conflating it with extraneous and irrelevant issues. I close with what is simple fact and not argument. You know it to be fact. You can acknowledge it or not. The essence of this society is the rule of law and the equal application of the law to all citizens. It is irrelevant to this statement of fact that society is imperfect. That does not alter the fact that any violation of any rule of law is an undermining of that principle and of that society. It is irrelevant whether the particular law is of major or minor importance. It is irrelevant whether harm from the violation is severe or whether the harm is relatively innocuous--or even whether benefit ultimately accrues. It does not matter whether the undermining of the rule of law results in a better law or whether it does not. It does not matter that the law is rational or moral, or that it is not. These are all irrelevancies and red herrings, and I am tired of being insulted by your intentional bad faith in conflating your responses in this fashion. Whether the violation of the rule of law results in good or in bad--all this is irrelevant to the simple fact to which I have wasted several posts in giving you the benefit of ignorance rather than of deceit. It is obviously just a game for you, so have fun. Pretend that violating the rules of society is not an offense against society. Pretend that a democracy channels input from all citizens through all appropriate channels to the eventual enacting of a law because there is no purported reason for the law and no offense against society when it is violated???? Pretend that people can violate the democratic principle of equality before the law without offending that very principle. Pretend, pretend, pretend. But don't even bother giving me one of your phoney responses where you conflate this point with straw men and red herrings. Just have fun, as I said..

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