If they have to drink oil then they won't be so aggressive.
The point is that the al-qaeda movement was primarily aimed at the Saudi regime.
You are absolutely incorrect to believe that ALL they want.
Think, my friend..
Saudi Arabia is MERELY THE FIRST STEP, because controlling Mecca and Medina, as well as the huge supply of oil, will guarantee that their Islamo-Fascist form of militant Islam is spread across the Islamic world.
Controlling Iraq, with it's second largest known reserves of oil in the world, would place the Islamo-Fascists in a position to dictate terms to BOTH the developing and developed world, including China, Japan, and Europe, all of which are FAR MORE dependent upon imported oil than we are.
FURTHERMORE, once control over the Muslim world is established, their next goal is to rebuild the Caliphate, including N. Africa and Spain, as well as the rest of Europe.
Islamo-Fascism is an imperialistic flavor of the Muslim religion. YOU AND I HAVE NO RIGHTS WITHIN THEIR WORLD, EXCEPT TO CONVERT OR DIE.
Don't believe me.. Read their doctrine. I've seen my share of it, so I have no doubt that Global Jihad is the overall goal of Islamo-Fascism.
What you have to ask yourself is whether you have a sufficiently rational and objective mind to understand and accept this reality.
You think you can play by your rules Noel, and their not even playing your game. The only rules they understand are that they can break treaties, truces, and agreements with anyone who does not share their faith. And this includes fellow, but more moderate, muslims.
And that means that once they have the oil, which equates to international economic power, they will pursue further attacks against the west, especially if we continue to delude ourselves into believing we can "contain" them.
think you misunderstood this part of my post. I'm for getting back into Afghanistan and getting rid of Osama. As for Iraq the Iraqis are probably better equipped to get rid of the al-Qaeda types.
Sorry, I did misunderstand. But guess what.. It's HIGHLY unlikely that Bin Laden is in Afghanistan. He's likely in Pakistan, or Eastern Iran.
What do we have the CIA for? Osama is not a head of state, just a common criminal.
Dude.. don't you think we want Bin Laden? Don't you think we're trying to find him and Zawahiri, as evidenced by the controversial Predator strike that killed a number of Zawahiri's closest aids?? But we can only do so much given teh constraints of the tumultuous status of Pakistan's social and political situation.
What would be your strategy there?? Do we invade either country? Do we encourage civil war within Pakistan?
"Getting back" to Afghanistan means little when the major front for Al Qai'da, at this current time, is Iraq. Zarqawi, despite having sworn "Bayat" to Bin Laden, is overshadowing the AQ Senior Leadership (AQSL). This is reflected in the letters we've captured being transported back and forth. Afghanistan is relatively secure in relation to Iraq and the AQIZ presence there. And if he's formed, as I believe, an unholy alliance, with the Former Ba'thists and is receiving money from Saddam's wife and daughter, then it's IMPERATIVE that this alliance be crushed. The AQ presence in Iraq is just as legitimate a target as the AQ presence in Afghanistan. And it's a far greater danger, given the proximity to Saudi Arabia and other allies such as Jordan.
Get your priorities straight here.. Bin Laden will be found eventually, but what's important is that we continue to neutralize any efforts by AQ to mobilize and present a coherent political or military front.
Listen.. broad sweeping policy statements are not going to suffice in convincing me that the liberals have a "plan". to claim that we don't want Bin Laden is just BS. But ultimately, it's going to be Pakistan (assuming he's there) who will have the credit of capturing him. They will not permit our forces to open combat operations within their country. Don't forget that the Pakistani Military, and their ISI, still have a number of Islamo-Fascist sympathizers and leaders in place. They are not particularly keen on granting the US the pleasure of capturing Bin Laden. Thus, at this time, all we can do is continue to apply pressure, as well as advance our relationship with India as political leverage.
But in Iraq? We can make a difference there. I firmly believe this. The Muslim world now can have no reasonable doubt that AQ Jihadists are perfectly happy killing Muslims in order to advance their agenda. This is very important from the perspective of Iraq eventually becoming a potential ally against Al Qai'da in the region, as well as an economic foil against the Saudi's potential caving into their Wahabbist elements amongst them.
This is a complex war Noel.. It requires patience, dedication, and maximum flexibility. This is not going to be a "kick butt, take names, and bring the boys(and girls) home" kind of war. What we're trying to do is a preemptive strategy that prevents Islamo-Fascism from gaining the momentum in the region.
So within that context, I'm perfectly willing to listen to so more SPECIFICS about how bad a job we're doing there, and how you would do things differently.
Hawk
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