Will an xray show who is a liar?
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Are bashers real? you bet you're sweet bippy!
Repetitive Posts and Repetitive Irrelevent Information
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April 2006
Monday, April 03, 2006
Will an xray show who is a liar?
Well it sure seems so. xrayviscion on the RB board aka scionist on the SI Board appears to have altered a supposed court document. While he claims he misread the pdf its unclear how words would get added to a pdf!!!!!!! While we don't accuse on our fair and balanced board we do find this highly unusual.
Next: Mr. Pumpty's exoneration and revenge against the against the MS 13 gang up.
posted by the robin | 5:28 PM | 0 comments
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WHO BASHERS PREY UPON - Reprint Continued
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!
posted by the robin | 6:17 AM | 0 comments
Are bashers real? you bet you're sweet bippy!
Ever wonder why four or five gang type guys show up on a board, claim they have no interest in the stock, post incessantly and try to intimidate any positive feedback on that stock? Seems like an odd hobby doesn't it? The reason is its not a hobby but an elaborate scheme to make you lose money.
Copied from Motley Fool: The Basher's Handbook Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.
Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?
Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.
IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
posted by the robin | 6:06 AM | 0 comments
Sunday, April 02, 2006
Repetitive Posts and Repetitive Irrelevent Information
These are good rules to read and review for it loosely defines what the BASHER/SHORTER does. But it appears that detractors of a particular equity will copy and paste the same information over and over again. It is interesting to note that this information rarely directly relates to the equity and sometimes not at all. The posts will be repeated periodically when the detractors feel they have lost momentum or have made errors in their repetition. I encourage you to see the ridiculous number of repetitive cut and paste posts on this board.
Subject 56207
Basher Techniques:
Top 40 Most Common NFI Basher Tactics and Rules of Bashing
Be anonymous.
Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
Only bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
Give the appearance of being open minded.
Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't know your history.
When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is weak in reasoning powers.
Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock. Establish reduced expectations for the stock. Mock anyone who dissents.
Use questions to create negative/critical thinking. Statements to reinforce pseudo-facts.
DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY, unless your ID is designed to disrupt the board using those tactics.
Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. Discourage people from believing Press Releases. Again, encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness — they'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
If the company’s history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of these data prior to beginning your efforts.
If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Introduce non-relevant issues for debate: e.g., political personalities, nuclear developments, etc. Divert their attention from facts.
Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one you’re Bashing.
Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
When in doubt, clog the board with meaningless posts, making it hard for anyone to read and get anything of value.
Use technical analysis as a predictor of “weakness” or a tool to sow doubt. TA can be interpreted any number of ways, so you will never be proven wrong and could gain a following of like-minded souls.
Always bash board regulars whenever they make a mistake. When no mistakes are present, create a straw man argument and attack that.
Bash and ridicule any analysis based on facts or fundamentals. Facts are not your friend.
Bash any attempts to post positives. Refer to company defenders or board gurus as pumpers or dreamers or liars.
Imply that anyone with anything positive to say is “pumping and dumping.”
If possible, create one persona that is a long who is trying to get more info. Always frame questions from that persona in a “when did you stop beating your wife” manner. Try to avoid making overtly negative statements, but hint that you suspect something is afoul. Make negative statements in the guise of seeking answers, and then apologize but don’t retract when called on them.
Choose non-threatening ID’s. Old people are good, so are females. People tend to defer to those, so you will be given more leeway to create doubt and uncertainty. If possible, post a sympathy-creating circumstance now and then — death in the family, accident, job loss.
Have one ID be reasonable trader guy. He can make dispassionate observations which will just coincidentally be negative when needed, especially on any rallies and when any weakness appears in the stock price. Make sure he makes some positive statements when it doesn’t really matter to preserve the ID’s integrity.
Have one ID be set up as a long who has now turned on the stock/company. This can take months to set up, but is worth it. Post positives which contain little substance for at least 60 days, post about being a long time holder, post about having a bunch of shares. Then one day, post that in your opinion the tide has changed, so you have sold it all.
Accuse board regulars of being multi-posters. Or paid pumpers. Or anything negative that would call their posts into question.
AND THE GOLDEN BASHER RULE: Never admit to being a basher. Especially if you are being paid. Avoid any direct answers to direct questions about your bonafides. Deny everything, demand proof, attack attack attack.
posted by the robin | 5:49 PM | 0 comments
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