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Politics : View from the Center and Left

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To: Lane3 who wrote (17000)4/21/2006 5:09:20 PM
From: thames_sider  Read Replies (2) of 541908
 
In 20 years there may be no New York City or Florida.
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Anyone who predicts that is either lying or nuts. Get a grip.


Well, there's not much of Florida over 150 ft: and here's a map by those well-known alarmists, "Scientists at Florida's top universities".
nrdc.org
geology.com

Some more alarmist scientists:
nrdc.org

Some graphs from the alarmists at, er, NASA:
data.giss.nasa.gov

So, are you saying those graphs aren't true? Or are you happy to point to some "scientists" who claim that it isn't that bad?

Alarmism from the National Geogrphic, pointing out that the Greenland ice-sheet alone would raise sea level by 7m if (when) it melts, drowning LA and London for starters:
news.nationalgeographic.com

7m? How about just 1/4 of that for starters: some US Government alarmists.
"The maps imply that approximately 58,000 square kilometers of land along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts lie below the 1.5-meter contour. Louisiana, Florida, Texas, and North Carolina account for more than 80 percent of the low land. Outside of those four states, the largest vulnerable populated region is the land along the Eastern Shore of Chesapeake Bay stretching from Dorchester County, Maryland to Accomac County, Virginia."
yosemite.epa.gov
yosemite.epa.gov
Hey, here's Florida with just half of that tiny rise:
yosemite.epa.gov

Some more disappearing Florida:
geo.arizona.edu

etc. etc. etc.

We pump CO2 etc into the atmosphere, mainly by burning fossil fuels, far faster than it is naturally removed ( Some of the other sh*t we pump in is worse, sure, but that's the basics).
As the CO2 concentration rises, so does the temperature.
The warmer the Earth gets, the more ice melts faster than it forms.
The more ice melts, the more water in the oceans and the higher the level.
It's that simple.
And now it's a question of how fast, and how much: what kind of world will our children inherit, and will they have any chance to fix it?

If you're driving directly towards a cliff, it is not alarmist to point this out. And if the driver ignores you and speeds up, it's not alarmist to shout at the idiot to get him to change direction.
My personal view is that if the driver still ignores you after that, you grab the wheel, stamp on the brake and kick the idiot out to kill himself without taking everyone else along for the ride.
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