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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (187072)5/23/2006 4:22:40 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
>> For example, we can recall French and Russian support for Iraq.

I do not accept the "he/she/EU/China/... does it too arguments" I am not living in EU or China and am neither responsible for nor can have any influence over their actions. I can discuss and some minute way influence US actions, so that is what I am willing do discuss. Anyone who is so concerned about Russia's (or whoever else's) behavior may move there and try to influence the Russian conduct.

If you are willing to accept the principle of fair and equatible rule of law that meets the international consent in the world, then we can discuss how such a framework may be established. But if you are going to avoid all responsibility for your own actions under the cover of "they do it too". Then there is no point to continue.

>> if the Israeli lobby is so powerful, can not the same be said for the Palestinian lobby in Europe and Russia??

I think you should go read the post. It is answered very clearly there and I cannot top what Zunes has written. If you really read it (as oppose to whatever it is you do when you see these posts) you will see that not everyone on the "left" is some Jew-hating-idealist-blind-to-realities-of-the-world.

Here is a small part of the article for you, but before answering it you have read the whole thing:

My interviews with a half-dozen Arab foreign ministers and deputy foreign ministers in recent years have confirmed that US diplomats routinely blame the "Jewish lobby" as a way of diverting blame away from the US government. This cynical excuse has contributed to the frightening rise in recent years of anti-Jewish attitudes in the Arab world. The consequences of US policy regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict could be tragic not just for Palestinians and other Arabs, who are the immediate victims of the diplomatic support and largess of US aid to Israel, but ultimately for Israel as well...It has long been in Washington's interest to maintain a militarily powerful and belligerent Israel dependent on the United States. Real peace could undermine such a relationship. The United States has therefore pursued a policy that attempts to bring greater stability to the region while falling short of real peace. Washington wants a Middle East where Israel can serve a proxy role in projecting US military and economic interests. This symbiosis requires suppressing challenges to American-Israeli hegemony within the region.


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