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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

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To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (743458)6/23/2006 1:36:01 PM
From: Srexley  Read Replies (2) of 769670
 
"I've put forward my views about Iraq literally DOZENS and DOZENS of times"

Not to me. I was aware of your 3 Iraq scenario before this post. But generally you butt into posts I am making to others, and then start your silly word games and dishonest claims that you cannot understand what has been said.

"My argument is that Democracy is always a good thing"

Good.

"but that, since the Sunnis are *never* going to be happy to be dominated and out-voted all the time by Shi'a --- "

My hope is that not all will view having freedom anb being part of a democracy is being dominated. The ones that are so unhappy with the situation that they will kill others need to be killed. A grizlly business to be sure, but we need to rid the world (as best we can) of folks who will kill you if you disagree with them. If you agree with that point, then your argrument comes down to whether all or most of the sunnis will kill to have their way (which your position implies) or that most would take the freedom and democracy route (which will allow them to worship as they wish) and help eliminate the minority who will kill if they can't have their way.

I might be naive, but I am with Bush in feeling that most people would prefer freedom as opposed to killing if they can't have everyone believe as they do. Maybe there is a genetic condition that effects them and there is no hope. But my feeling is that conditions that allow hope will produce a rational and civil society over time. It all depends on the will of the folks fighting the bad guys. Deciding not to kill the bad guys (quiting) will certainly increase the chances of your scenario. Killing bad guys will increase the more favorable result of a unified Iraq with folks with different views living together in peace.

"Maybe. My argument is that none of this matters much until we leave them to settle their own affairs --- "

My argumet (and Bush's) is that a strong unified government that can control the violence will result in a situation that is beneficial (and safe) to people of all views (except the kill if you don't agree with me view). Peace and prosperity just might break out in those conditions.

Another point I will re state is that your view is the most likely if we leave. If we stay, Bush's view (which is better for the world as a whole) has a better chance. I don't see a long term benefit to the Arab world or the world in general to have the limited view that the best that can be done is factions that hate each other living next to each other and hopefully not slaughtering each other. The world needs the Arab world to progress in a way that allows differing views and beliefs to co exist. It can happen.
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