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To: Lou Weed who wrote (190458)	6/29/2006 4:08:04 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) of 281500

To be a true Christian definitely requires a commitment to pacifism but how many true Christians do you know?? With the exception of MOST clerics we are all in many aspects hypocrites. I don't agree about the pacifism part, though agree with the last sentence in sentiment. In my opinion war is a necessary evil only to be used in situations where there is no other avenue of resolution. Wait, that is contrary to pacifism. Either one is pacifist or one accepts the need for just war sometimes. Then whether a war is just or not is something people can disagree about. I note that since 2001, we have overthrown two very brutal tyrannies and allowed two countries to adopt democratic governments - whether you supported the war or not, this is clearly a good thing. I also note that in the brief period following the capture of Saddam, Bush bluffed/bullied Syria into withdrawing from Lebanon, Charles Taylor into leaving Liberia (allowing that country to achieve a democratic election), and Gaddafi into allowing US inspectors to take his WMD program materials to Tennessee for destruction. All those were good things too. WW1 and WW2 for me are examples of this. Where do you see moral cause involved in WWI? I believe invading Afghanistan was the correct thing to do....after all that was where the nest of vipers that attacked us were settled. Pacifism shattered again. Oh well. anabaptistnetwork.com Interesting - shows that Christians who really take pacifism seriously have some problems interpreting the sword passage. Jesus claimed to be God made man and as he claimed himself was also susceptible to the weaknesses that we all encounter. The link can explain this much better than I can ever attempt to but the bottom line is that his message was love, peace and tolerance. Agree with the latter sentiment also. I was raised Christian and still believe in the message of Jesus but I have issues with the religion as an organised entity. That in itself is a whole separate Pandora's box. I've come to realize that I'm more Gnostic in nature i.e. I believe that communication with God (whoever she is) is on a personal level and the spirit of self through the teachings that we learn knows what is right and wrong. Why do liberal minded folks have to use SHE for God anyway?? If you think gender references are a problem, does it matter whether you reverse the gender reference? This issue (i.e. torture) for me is an issue of right and wrong (see paragraph above). I don't consider myself argumentative but I'm just curious to dig further into how one can rationalize having Christian principles and at the same time condone systematically degrading another human being. I am generally opposed to torture but if I were in the unlikely and extremely position of having custody of someone who could save lives by talking, I don't know what I'd do to get that person to talk. Regardless of what the rules say one should do. At any rate, I believe we formally forswear torture and we punish people who do it. I can recall instances of soldiers being punished for this and think you can too. So we shouldn't act as if the US government systematically tortures people as a matter of policy. The bearing of false witness is a moral issue too.

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