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Politics : Should God be replaced?
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To: TigerPaw who wrote (24344)7/4/2006 5:58:14 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (2) of 28931
 
"You just keep claiming that you don't consider it proof."

It is my goal to further discussion, not to end it with victories or defeats.

Your original premise was that the 'big bang' theory proves that time began with the first bang. I endorsed the validity of the theory without supporting your premise that it proves a beginning point in time.

The closest you have come is by conceding the gumball to something just before the gumball, 'singularity'. I suggested you develop that promising idea but you didn't.

I will give it a shot.

The universe of space and matter is observable to us because the distinct parts are noticeable from sun to particle by their positions in space. As they collapse into something more uniform and therefore less distinct, we are less able to notice them as relative parts of the universe separated by space...driven apart by differences. Their movements away from uniformity or collapses into uniformity are noticeable as space/time events. Through entropy diversity is diminished and distinct parts disappear, as does their distinct position in space. In otherwords they become so much a part of the whole that they have no identity of their own... a sound blending in becomes no sound, a ripple in the lake eventually disappears, and becomes 'nothing', it no longer exists as a distinct piece of the universe.

So the gumball state of the Universe represents a small very uniform view of existence bound in a tiny space. If the gumball achieves perfect uniformity 'singularity' it needs no space at all and its material parts are indistinguishable.

Science has not way to describe this state of existence except to refer to it as nothing.

You also speculate that time must have a similar course that leads to an end. In order for this to occur material in space must become so uniform that it is no longer distinguishable. At such a time we can no longer notice it, or an occupying space. This is the premise behind black holes btw.

So, for time to begin it must have an alpha state that we have no mechanism of detection but we can allude to it as perfect and singular uniformity. For time to end material and space must return to this singular uniformity allowing for zero occupation in space.

That would support your claim. However it does not eliminate the possibility of repeated inflations toward the omega of existence and collapses to the alpha of existence. Neither possibility necessarily, obliterating the other.

If you consider that proof of your premise, you are welcome. I simply look at it as an exploration to further the discussion.
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