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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction

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To: tejek who wrote (50153)8/19/2006 7:47:59 PM
From: Sully-   of 90947
 
<< "Bush's own inspector admitted they found no WMDs in Iraq. Even Fox News admitted it:"

Actually you can't even get the facts straight when the words are right there in front of you. First, you used a CNN story, not Fox like you implied. Second the headline clearly read:

<< "Kay: No evidence Iraq stockpiled WMDs" >>

All Kay said was that there were no evidence that Saddam continued to maintain "stockpiles" of WMD's - no more, no less.

WMD's were indeed found. Plenty of them. They just weren't neatly stacked up in a warehouse & clearly marked "Saddam's 'Stockpiled' WMD's".

Investigative Report - Saddam's WMD Have Been Found

The Iraq Survey Group
(ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions....

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US Found WMDs in Iraq

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[T]here is a back story that must be told.

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“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

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They are weapons of mass destruction. They are harmful to human beings. And they have been found. And that had not been by Saddam Hussein, as he inaccurately alleged that he had reported all of his weapons. And they are still being found and discovered.

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[T]hese weapons were the kind used to kill 5000 Kurds by Saddam. Saddam only needed 3 of these missiles to accomplish that feat - we've uncovered 500. That's enough nerve agents to kill more than 8.3 million people - or the Island of Manhattan, or the city of Chicago.

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Pesticides, Precursors, and Petulance

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Pesticides, Precursors, and Petulance Revisited

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Iraq Survey Chief: More WMD Found

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Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq

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Why has there been almost no press coverage concerning the 17 sarin gas warheads discovered by Polish coalition forces in Iraq June 23?

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Saddam And WMD: Case Re-Opened?

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Iraq never declared any binary 155mm artillery shells. In fact, they never claimed any filled with sarin at all in the UNSCOM Final report

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Saddam’s WMD: Discovery and Denial

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Saddam And Anthrax Operations

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Saddam Documents: Fences Make Good Neighbors Edition

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Foreign Intel Had Identified WMD Sites

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RE: The Saddam Tapes - Charles Duelfer says the tapes, "support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted."

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"WHERE WAS THE NUCLEAR material transported to?" asks an aide to Saddam Hussein, in a taped conversation released last week. He answers his own question: "A number of them were transported out of Iraq."

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In addition to trying to buy uranium from Niger, Iraq had also tried to obtain uranium from Congo, and may have succeeded in doing so

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Saddam met with his nuclear group in 2002

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Saddam And Nukes: Together Again In 2001

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Why would the mass graves need testing for nuclear radiation?

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Inspect all sites bombarded by the enemy. To assure that no contamination or radioactivity are present, in particular and with utmost urgency the presidential sites.

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'The Iraqi Regime Has Transported The Chemical And Biological Weapons'

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Transfer of CHEMICAL WEAPONS (TOP SECRET memo)

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Iraq Was Hiding Chemical Weapons Facilities in 1999

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Note that the reclassifications that called specifically for chemical units and labs in conjunction with the surface-to-surface missile units came in 2001 and 2002. The nomenclature we have read in other documents did not even exist before 2001 -- and yet we are supposed to believe that the Saddam regime had no chemical or biological weapons?

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It looks like Iraq had enough chemical weapons material left at Talib to do some serious training

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Saddam's Shopping List

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"Summary of WMDs and WMD material found in Iraq after the invasion"
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Saddam discusses how to conceal Iraqi weapons programs from U.N. inspectors and the possibility that the United States could be the target of terrorist attacks....

...One new piece of information revealed on the tapes... is that Saddam was actively working on a plan to enrich uranium using a technique known as plasma separation. This... took place in 2000, nearly five years after Iraq's nuclear programs were thought to have stopped.

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On [the tapes], Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.

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Tapes reveal WMD plans by Saddam

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    So Iraqi intelligence conducted "covert offensive
operations" involving "poisons" as well as explosives,
carried out "sabotage and assassination" outside of Iraq,
and trained agents in "the use of terror techniques"
abroad. Not bad for a single eight-page document.
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That doesn't sound like a man who had discarded his nuclear program

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The Eight Directorate is responsible for development of materials needed for covert offensive operations. It contains advanced laboratories for testing and production of weapons, poisons, and explosives

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Partial transcripts released by ABC certainly suggests that Iraq had intentions of deceiving inspectors and reconstituting its programs at the earliest possible moment

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Saddam Tapes Translator: ABC Disregarded My Translation And Offered Less-Threatening Version

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The translated document... illustrate[s] how much Hussein’s regime was focused on keeping the United Nations inspectors in the dark, in ending the inspections and sanctions regime, in having biological, chemical, and nuclear programs ready to go once the sanctions were gone...

...we have won Russia, ahhh … we have convinced Russia by way of generous accounts [payoffs] in which, you remember how and why it happened ...

... They have a bigger problem with the Chemical program than the Biological program, a lot bigger than the Biological program.... We have not told them that we used it on Iran, nor have we told them about the size or kind of Chemical weapons that we produced, and we have not told them the truth about the imported material...

...Again sir, about the Biological and the Chemical programs... the reason they know about it is, that we imported a quantity from America and we imported a quantity from Europe. However, we did not come forth with the quantities....

...Sir, about the Nuclear program, we say that we have uncovered everything. In addition, we have an unannounced problem with the Nuclear program, and I think they know about it. I mean, there is working teams that are working and some of these teams are not known to anyone... I must say that it is in our best interest not to uncover it, not only in fear of exposing the technology that we have or that we possess or to hide it for future agendas....

Message 22283195

“The Researches That Cannot Be Declared and that is related with the previous Prohibited Programs of WMD and how to make sure that information about these researches will not leak to the outside because it will be too dangerous if this happened”

Message 22352138

"remove correspondence with the atomic energy and military industry departments concerning the prohibited weapons" and "remove prohibited materials and equipment, including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear labs and storages (sic) of any traces of chemical or biological materials that were previously used or stored . . ."

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Go through all the records and files, remove the documents linked to the Atomic Energy Organization and the Military Industrial Commission, or other stations & departments related to restricted weapon programs...

...Ensure clean-up of the laboratories, warehouses and factories from all traces of chemical, biological or radiation that were previously used or stored....

...Use a standard method of dealing with UN inspection team members. Answers are not permitted other than through the authorized representative. If they question the departments or organizations outside of the agency site, a standard response is to be made to all questions that this is intelligence-related work, and that they have to consult with higher authorities for permission to answer....

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Loose Lips Generate Paperwork, And Reveal Iraqi Malfeasance

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This document refers to a heroic, around the clock effort to destroy documents relating to Iraq's WMD programs that I have also seen mentioned in the audiotapes of meetings in Saddam's office.

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About those WMDs

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OH THOSE PESKY IRAQI WMD’S!

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Where the WMDs Went

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Post-Invasion Intel Showed WMD Went To Syria

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Dr. Germ prepared an analysis in 2002 of how to spread biological weapons material using an aircraft as the medium, and how far they had advanced on the application

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Most of this evidence can be found in the final report of the Iraqi Survey Group (ISG)

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Saddam Was Into RVs
Mobile Labs Could Not Have Produced Hydrogen As Described

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WMDs still in Iraq?

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What Saddam's Iraq was up to.

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Iraqi Documents: UNMOVIC Knew Of Renewed WMD Efforts

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We have these categories: "Chemical;" twelve employees got bonuses. "Nuclear;" nine employees got bonuses. "Missiles;" seven employees got bonuses. "Biological;" nine employees got bonuses.

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Project Harmony Documents Show Chemical 'Projects' In 2003

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Iraqi Rosters In 2002 Show Interesting Department Names

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The Secret House Of The IIS

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Saddam Produced Nerve Gas Detectors In 2000

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Saddam did have WMD plans says inspector

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Another of the audio tape recordings Saddam Hussein's office... suggests that the Russians have been paid off...

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Iraqi Documents: Our Friends, The Russians

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NYT: Saddam Had WMD Capabilities

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The New York Times finally acknowledges the Saddam documents--if only to dismiss them.

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This is a rather pathetic and transparent example of how the news media stages information so as to be most damaging to an administration they don't like.

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The problem for liberals is that once that basic fact is admitted, and the discussion becomes more nuanced--e.g., old WMDs versus new WMDs--then the discussion also has to include addional facts: that Saddam remained committed to building more WMDs at the earliest opportunity; that he had at his command ample staff and other resources to carry out that command; and that Iraq was moving successfully toward ending the corrupt U.N. sanctions regime, at which point WMD production would have resumed.

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