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Politics : Polite Political Discussion- is it Possible? An Experiment.
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To: Rambi who wrote (1216)8/30/2006 9:05:22 PM
From: Brumar89Read Replies (1) of 1695
 
the factors that finally drove women to assert their individuality and essential "worthiness" was a culture of dominant white male authority with a nasty subculture of abuse, submissiveness, dependence.

I think asserting one's individuality and worthiness is a lousy reason to make decisions that result in oneself and one's children leading lives of poverty. In fact, I think being worthy ought to include making responsible decisions.

Maybe you're saying divorced and single mothers are in that situation because they were abused by white males? I'm sure some of them might have been. I know there are men fool women into marrying them and then abuse their wives and families and effectively drive them away or abandon them, though its not the major cause of family breakdown I don't think.

Maybe you're saying the root cause of poverty is abusive white male patriarchy which made women submissive and dependent and now they just can't make good decisions for themselves even after asserting their individuality and worthiness? But what good does blaming abusive white male patriarchy accomplish? Don't people need to learn to make more responsible decisions? And its not just women who make bad decisions.

I spent a lot of time with my grandparents growing up and my grandparents weren't exactly from the social elite. I've mentioned one was a lifelong sharecropper. The other side was better off only in that they owned 40 hilly acres of land. My grandmothers were born in the late 1800's and in the first decade of the 20th century. IOW back in the era of dominant white male authority - and I know from personal experience my grandmothers were worthy individuals and weren't abused or submissive.
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I don't know why traditional morality should be hot button words. I don't think traditional morality is tainted. I think it works pretty darn well.

A child is best served by an intact nuclear family, certainly. But we need to redefine, not by the "old" morality code, but with terms of personal responsibility that don't pit old v. new, right v left.

I'm not sure what needs to be redefined - the family or the morality code. What redefinition is working better???

I think these things are simple undeniable truths:

No honest person can deny the empirical evidence. Divorce causes poverty. Having children out of wedlock causes poverty. Drug abuse causes poverty. Social conservatives harp so insistently on traditional morality because such moral codes prevent real-world harm. People's individual moral codes create their behavior and behaviors have real-world consequences.
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