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To: Brumar89 who wrote (53137)	11/7/2006 6:23:25 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) of 90947

>>1) It's a primarily bogus issue affecting a tiny sliver of society, most of whom really just want to game the system and extend spousal insurance/retirement benefits to a good friend/lover. It's bogus because most gay people don't have any desire to marry - I base that on public expressions I've heard. Most gay people who "want" to marry have no intention of observing marriage the same way the majority does - that is by being faithful to a partner. Gay marriage would lead to large numbers of sham marriages for the sake of insurance/retirement benefits - in fact most gay marriages would be sham marriages. 2) Changing the traditional definition of marriage opens a door wide to polygamy, group marriage, and down the slippery slope, trans-species and child marriage. Most supporters of gay marriage acknowledge this and display hostility to the institution of marraige (that's one of the reasons they like the idea - they know its a mockery of the institution), though hypocritically they don't act on their beliefs and renounce their own marriages. 3) I think gay marriage proponents intend down the line to use gays as a club against traditional religious teachings - denoucing the Bible as hate literature, attacking churches tax exemptions, charitable deductions, use of public property (banning for example the use of parks for church picnics) etc. Just as the Boy Scouts are being targeted for not allowing an unmarried young gay guy to be a scoutmaster.<< Brumar - 1) I have heard many public and private expressions from gay and lesbian couples who are deeply committed to one another and who are and intend to remain monogamous. Yes, they would like to have the same civil privileges as straight couples have, including insurance, the ability to visit one another in the hospital if one should be gravely ill, etc. But that doesn't mean their marriages would be a sham. 2) That is a real red herring. Nobody is proposing anything of the kind. Your statement about how "most supporters of gay marriage" think about the institution of marriage is based on what? I refer you to my first point. 3) I submit that you have no way of knowing what the intentions of proponents of gay marriage may be. Most people I know who support it have a "live and let live" philosophy. I don't object to people believing in whatever God or Gods they want to believe in, nor to them worshiping however they see fit to worship. I just object to people claiming that their specific religious views should be the basis for laws. - Allen

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