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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices
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To: Road Walker who wrote (319874)1/10/2007 7:39:29 AM
From: Elroy  Read Replies (1) of 1573924
 
Frankly, it's I'm "taking" or "giving", then I'm taking a little from the employer in the form of wages and "giving" to the US citizen employee so that we don't have a class of working poor.

but you strangely ignored the displaced non-American in your taking and giving analysis above.

Bull shit.

What do you mean Bullshit? In the top sentence (by you) in your analysis of from whom you are taking and to whom you are giving you claim to "take from the employer" and "give to the US worker", and there is no "displaced non-American" category. You left them out of your give and take analysis completely, so why do you say "Bull shit" when I point out the obvious? It's all there in your own writing.

Perhaps because you don't like to admit that your proposal to help the US working man theoretically achieves that by taking from the even poorer non-US working man? Surely you agree that the main losers in eliminating illegal workers in the US will be the illegal workers in the US?

when are you going to just admit you are wrong with your "what's good for the UAE must be good for the US". You've gone native expatriate.

I've only brought up the situation of workers in the UAE to show you how good the average US worker has it compared to the rest of the world. I've never said the US should emulate the UAE. The UAE doesn't even have any significant population of illegal workers as far as I know. Stop attacking me for educating you about the situation for workers in other parts of the world.

Do you think every Mexican with the wits to illegally cross the border has a right to stay permanently in the US? Is that the prerequisite for citizenship? Do you believe in national sovereignty at all or are you for a border less world?

No, no, and whether I believe in national sovereignity is a weird question. How does one not believe that sovereign nations exist?

Since you've lost both the topic we're discussing and my view on that topic let me put you back on the subject via clear simple sentences.

1. I think your idea to round up and deport 12 million cheap illegal laborers would be harmful to the US economy, harmful to the US workers you want to help, and definitely harmful to the illegal laborers.

2. I also don't think you have any right to portray yourself a "defender of the working man" while advocating the poorest, least protected 12 million workers in the US should be fired.

Hopefully that explains my view to you without any circular arguments or questions about the existence of national sovereignity.
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