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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (8986)1/15/2007 11:04:38 AM
From: maceng2  Read Replies (1) of 36917
 
So are you saying the planet is not undergoing a warming trend right now? This is difficult to accept in the light of documented retreating glaciers for more then 70 years AND observed warming trend temperature measurements over the last century.

I welcome any presentation of data that indicates we are not in a warming trend, or existence of the medieval warm period etc.

News bites from politicians and reporters don't count as real data.

There is this bit of news today on a related subject..

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taipeitimes.com

London says Bush shifting position on global warming

THE OBSERVER, LONDON AND NEW YORK
Monday, Jan 15, 2007, Page 7
US President George W. Bush is preparing to make a historic shift in his position on global warming when he makes his State of the Union speech later this month, say senior officials at the office of the prime minister in London.

Tony Blair hopes that the new stance by the US will lead to a breakthrough in international talks on climate change and that the outlines of a successor treaty to the Kyoto agreement, the deal to curb emissions of greenhouse gases which expires in 2012, could now be thrashed out at the G8 summit in June.

The timetable may explain why Blair is so keen to remain in office until after the summit, with a deal on protecting the planet offering an appealing legacy with which to bow out of office.

Bush and Blair held private talks on climate change before Christmas, and there is a feeling that Bush will now agree a cap on emissions in the US.

"We could now be seeing the beginning of a consensus on a post-Kyoto framework," a source close to Blair said. "President Bush is beginning to talk about more radical measures."

The move will be seen as part of a wider repositioning of the Bush government after its comprehensive defeat in last autumn's mid-term elections.

A change of heart on the environment was signalled earlier this month when the US administration unexpectedly announced that polar bears were now an endangered species because their habitat in the US state of Alaska had suffered from melting ice sheets caused by global warming. The government is now required to act on threats to the bears' survival.

The EU has its own so-called cap and trade scheme, under which industries are given a quota of carbon dioxide emissions: If they exceed the limits, they must pay for extra credits that can be bought from cleaner industries -- an incentive to firms to go green.

Downing Street is increasingly confident that the arguments pushed by Sir Nicholas Stern, author of the recent Treasury report on the cost of global warming, that doing nothing will eventually prove more costly than trying to avert catastrophe are now gaining in momentum.

However, Stern warned: "The US will work it out for itself. Nobody will be telling them what to do, and nobody should."

Downing Street now expects a broad agreement between EU countries on a successor treaty to Kyoto to be thrashed out at the EU spring council, paving the way for an agreement at the G8.

Blair was also told in meetings with senior senators late last year that they would seek to push through measures on global warming which had been repeatedly blocked by the Republicans before the mid-term elections cost Bush's party control of both Houses of Congress.

However, another source close to the negotiations warned that Bush had previously appeared to give ground on climate change, only to fail to make real concessions. The best hope could lie with a post-Kyoto deal for 2009, the source said -- by which time Bush will be out of office.
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