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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction
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To: tejek who wrote (54444)1/18/2007 10:54:40 AM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) of 90947
 
Don't be silly. There is very little democracy in Iraq. Its mainly a society in violent upheaval where many don't have the most basic of utilities like 24 hour electricity and running water. Many of the wealthier Iraqis have fled the country and live in Jordan and other ME countries.

There is very little security or peace in Iraq. There isn't as much freedom, or development as we would want. There is no doubt that the situation in Iraq is very bad.

But none of that adds up to there being very little democracy in Iraq. You seem to have a problem with definitions. If things are bad, there is no democracy? But democracy doesn't mean security, peace, development or freedom. On another thread you had a similar problem, arguing that if there wasn't freedom (if things where fairly totalitarian) there could be democracy. Democracy just means that the people vote either directly on issues (as in Ancient Athens, or to a more limited extent with referenda), or more commonly by voting for representatives, and that the votes have meaning (sham elections conducted by dictators don't make for a democracy). Democracy does not mean everything is good, all sorts of massive problems can exist in a democracy. But that doesn't make it something other than a democracy.
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