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To: Elroy who wrote (54550)	1/21/2007 9:11:04 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) of 90947

"I never said coalition involvement in Iraq has been a failure" You said the following amongst other DIRECT QUOTES: "the Pres has had a chance for 3 years. He doesn't get an unlimited blank approval for ANYTHING, much less US military in a hostile land." "The whole idea that 140k troops couldn't succeed in 3 years, but 161k troops probably WILL succeed, and that is striking fear into the hearts of the Dems sounds like your paranoid cynical fantasy to me" You were responding to Jim S who said NOTHING about them NOT succeeding (and it is clearly not what he thinks). It is obvious that YOU were introducing the idea that they did NOT succeed. If not YOU (the person who voiced the matter)...then WHO???? You continue with: "At what point do you declare the President "gave it a try", and has failed? Many think we gave the President his try for the past three years. Your use of "WE" here indicates to me that you are one of the ones who gave the President his try, and your post in its entirety is clearly suggesting that he has had enough of a try (IYO). This would not be the case if he was (in your opinion) making progress. In that event you could and would have spoken differently. I'm sorry, Elroy, your denial sounds artificial, contrived, and quibbling to me. If I have misunderstood the manner in which you view the effort to democratize IraQ and secure American interests, then you might tell me the degree to which you think the plan has succeeded and please accept my apology for thinking you were suggesting that Bush had "failed" for three years and had enough "chances". "Again, you're attributing something to me which I did not say." I certainly see no indication in the quotes I have posted (nor in any other posts I have read from you) that you admit to any progress whatsoever. Saying that he has had his "try" and that he has had "a chance" for three years (in the context of your entire post) clearly intended the idea that his tries and his chances were failures. To say otherwise is to affront all of us. "Again, where are you getting all of this from?" It was a QUESTION, Elroy. Ergo, the question mark. I am wondering (from my interpretation of your many defensive posts) whether any amount of argument could convince you that America is on the right path. I think it is a fair question as you have indicated very clearly that the path walked and the path proposed do not meet your approval. And why WOULD you "have a desire to be convinced that America is on the right path" if you absolutely object to the path that America is on? I have not seen any indication that you do other than object to Bush and his plan, so my question was for clarity and not meant to encourage you to real or pretended bewilderment.

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