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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (203762)	4/23/2007 7:55:58 AM
From: kech	Read Replies (1) of 793782

The USA is still in the thick of the cold war. Not much at all has changed. Not to let historical convention get in the way of a good discourse but wikipedia dates the cold war as from the late 1940's to the early 1990's and erfers to it in past tense. en.wikipedia.org It helps if you want to have discussions to use terms the way they are conventionally used. If you don't, it is best to write a book about why everyone else is wrong. (Not that you don't have a good start in your comment and maybe some publisher would take it as a pitch.) The USA had nothing to do with the USSR collapse. Osama and co got the USSR out of Afghanistan because Gorby was too civilized to conduct such a ridiculous and barbaric military campaign. Now the USA and the COW have decided they want to take over where Gorby left off. So far, things are not going all that geat. On whether Reagan and the US pushed a drunken debauched and "evil empire" off a cliff or whether it fell off of its own is something that we could discuss at great length. Since we don't agree on much I am sure we could get into a good fight there. I'll give it a start. There are many good books talking about how Reagan made this the focus of his administration's foreign policy, i.e. not just to go along and get along with the USSR but to highlight the inconsistencies and problems wherever possible. The Pope and Lech Walesa and Maggie Thatcher got the ball rolling with the Solidarity Unions. When he was elected in 1980 Reagan gave support wherever possible and the challenge to Gorbachev to "bring down this wall" was greated with snorts from the believers in the status quo at the time. But down it came. Monuments and thanks for Reagan's efforts in eastern block countries like Hungary are testimony to this success. Arming the Mujadeen was part of this, not all were Jihadists, some remnants such as the Northern Alliance actually helped the US remove the Taliban from Afghanistan. Spending a lot on an arms race and Star Wars also showed the the Soviet Union could not keep up and have bread in the stores at the same time. This surfaced the cracks that were there.

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