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Politics : Actual left/right wing discussion
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To: TimF who wrote (6469)5/21/2007 12:35:28 AM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (1) of 10087
 
"Part of the problem with the torture issue, is what you define as torture. Some actions are clearly torture. Others, while possibly unpleasant, clearly aren't."

That might be a nice point of discussion for an academic group but what the Bush Administration means by "enhanced interrogation techniques" is clearly "torture."

What else could it be...physical/psychological techniques used to "break down" detainees and "compel" information from hard core men willing to give up their very lives in pursuit of their ends must necessarily be extreme.

Do you think we just keep asking them until they have a weak moment and blurt the truth?

If we start out with the proposition that these people are as committed, as tough and as willing to endure pain and pressure as we would be under the same circumstances, then what "short of torture" measures could you imagine that would break a committed American down to the point where he ratted out his team members and destroyed the very thing he'd risked everything for?

When you add in that this Administration clearly feels that time is of the essence when one of these high level detainees is captured then you must add in the element of getting the information quickly. So now you want to compel a person to do the very thing they're most committed to not doing, and you want to compel them to do so in a short period of time.

But what do the Bush people say about it? ....there's the careful quibbling over the very definition of torture to the point where "water boarding" is not acknowledged as being torture and, if some reports are to be believed, the American definition of torture was evidently so loose that if the subject survived without major physical injuries or death then he wasn't considered to have been "tortured."

No, we might like to believe that our country is not engaged in the grisly business of torture but we are. All done in our names and, if the Republican debate in South Carolina and the reaction of the crowd to the "Hell yeah" responses to whether they would authorize torture is any indication, done proudly by about 1/3 of the nation. Ed

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