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To: one_less who wrote (14347)6/13/2007 8:05:29 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) of 14758
 
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"Your, problem, I think is you are attempting to argue for one side of a point that cannot be settled. You can no more prove there is a God than I can there isn't."
That was me.

You don’t have to wonder if God is subject to time or some alternative time. Time is a dimension of the limited nature of the universe. An Omniscient God is by definition not limited, and not subject to limitations. So, the Augustinian type of eternal present is definitional.
Now that's interesting. Because the sort of theory that assumes spontaneous creation and explosion (the Big Bang) of a black hole that created the Universe makes precisely that same assumption: time and space have no meaning before that explosion. Which gets into all sorts of interesting weirdities when you try thinking about it.

So, then we get to the tough one, free will. It is not a question about whether or not we could have free will, we obviously have free will. The question, however is, how is that rational, given an Omniscient God who is not only All Knowing, Omnipresent, but also All Powerful? How is it that we can be free to choose disobedience of an All Powerful God? The answer to that question is that we can't. It is rational but flies in the face of some religious dogma.
So Shep and I had no choice about our religious beliefs? We were condemned to Hell before we were even conceived? Has this God of yours ever heard of "Justice"? Does he care?

It is God’s will that we freely choose, it is not God's will that we have to obey the rules of righteousness.
So I have free will but I don't?
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