>>I don't know who knew what, when, in all these cases. I can't comment on specific cases.<<
my guess is that you prefer it that way. if you knew what actually went on, your belief system would be challenged beyond your comfort level, imho.
i heard mahoney say he never realized how much this abuse damaged children until he actually sat down and discussed it with a few of them. oh, *really*? cardinal mahoney was unable to visualize all this pain he good ole boy rapists were causing as he played russian rape-let on the congregations children until he actually sat down and talked to them in the midst of mega million dollar lawsuit?
he's your church leader.
>>I've already expressed my view on how priests, bishops, cardinals etc.. that hid PEDOPHILIA should have been treated. Basically, they should be tossed from the priesthood and probably prosecuted.<<
they *all* did. your belief envelopes *all* of the catholic leadership. every last one that didn't speak out about the evil church policies, many of which are still solidly in place.
i'll bet they still keep two files... the official file and the, wink, wink, nod, nod, good ole boy child rapist protection file - AS A MATTER OF CHURCH POLICY!
>>As I also said though, there are distinctions that must be made in some of these cases.
I don't know what the church should do when one of the 35%-40% of its priests that are gay has sex with a 17 year old boy that is also homosexual (or confused) and he consented.<<
jail time. that's the law. what about a doctor does a 17 year old "confused" patient? how about 10 of them?
how about a law enforcement officer that does the 17 years olds he pulls over... uh, only the confused ones, of course.
come on! stop justifying this evil behavior and the equally evil cover up.
>>Do you have an opinion?<<
ha ha ha! good one. of course. they should be held to the same law you and i are held to. go have sex with a willing 17 year old and then tell your local law enforcement officer and see what happens. my guess is you end up in jail.
>>Those priests should also probably be tossed from the priesthood,<<
probably? him, haw, gray area, maybe if they weren't raped that night, they would've been murdered - so the rape was a good thing... hey, who knows, right?
do you have kids? i can't imagine that you do since you lack clarity on this issue even though the facts are being brought to light.
>>but I believe the church tends to try to get help for them and does so privately because they aren't considered pedophiles or even sex predators in many cases.<<
by who? child rapist supporters? child rapist enablers?
if you rape a child, you are a child rapist. that's the definition. according to the law, if you have sex with someone under 18 (most states) and are more than a few years older or in a position of power (or if both apply), that is legally rape.
a bunch of egomaniac priests are not allowed to make up their own set of laws. what if a manager at your work raped you and the general manager "handled it in private?"
its all good, right? you'd understand, right? no problem, right? if the ceo knew this went down and kept the general manager, that's cool, too, right?
why does a church get a license for unmitigated evil? explain that one to me.
>>In other words, psychologists suggest they can change and are not necessarily repeat offenders.<<
so can the hypothetical guy above who rapes you. you'd be good with treatment and a promotion for the coworker rapist, right?
>>In some cases they haven't actually even broken a law.<<
there are so many that were illegal, i don't feel the need to address legal issues.
ah, so you agree many of these actions were illegal?
what should happen to folks who break the law? why should priests be exempted?
what should happen to people who cover up illegal behavior and set up opportunities for more illegal behavior? why should cardinals be exempted?
>>They have only behaved immorally in most people's eyes.<<
you mispelled "moral" as "most".
some immoral people might support backing the rapist over the present and future child victims, but no moral would.
by definition. there ar no exceptions.
which leads to the immoral catholic church leadership, who has likely convinced you that you *need* them to get salvation so you are afraid to address their heinously evil actions - both consciously and subconsciously.
i don't have that false paradigm so i'm not nearly as likely to have the paradigm paralysis that seems to have beset you in this matter.
keep in mind that when people claim to represent god and then go around raping children and covering it up as a matter of policy, it is an offense to the god the claim to represent.
jesus called the pharisees "children of satan" for their selfish use and abuse of the deity for their own selfish purposes, and i'd argue they were significantly morally superior to the current catholic leadership.
if you want to ally yourself with the church organization that "has the back" of child rapists, go ahead. but be honest with yourself here.
there is a systemic morality problem within the catholic leadership. if you want to call it a mistake, is the mistake that keeps on giving b/c they don't have the moral code within their hearts to see the evil in their actions.
the tree is bad so it produces a child rape cover up environment all over the world.
good trees don't do that. |
