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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: one_less who wrote (239701)8/21/2007 12:06:24 PM
From: Elroy  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
"I think slavery is immoral and slave owners should be ashamed. "

That is a good thought, although I don't think it works for every circumstance in history and there are lots more heinous things going on in the world today than one person being subject to another.


Of course. It may be that all these women would have starved one at a time in Somalia if he hadn't taken them as wives. So maybe he's doing some good. Maybe. Who knows for sure?

I would be ashamed of my self if I exaggerated, especially when it impunes the honor of a person I know nearly nothing about. But I don't think you should be ashamed, 'should' is a manipulative word that I try to avoid.

I'm thinking more along the lines of the average guy who marries women and divorces them in order to get to 100 sons. It's a crap life for most woman. It's a selfish life for the man. But who knows, maybe that guy is actually a saint - we really don't know his story.

"The man should be ashamed of the punishment of a life that he is inflicting upon his upcoming 20 year old next wife. The society should be ashamed that the young women of the society are given zero respect, and are allowed to be treated like slaves for his pleasure."

You are unqualified to judge. You don't know the circumstances for that woman, so you are speculating in a way that is beneficial to your bigoted views.


Sure, I'm speculating. Perhaps I've got it all wrong. But when an old geezer takes loads of young sweeties in a region with lots of poor people and a custom of arranged marriage, I'm skeptical on his respect for women, and whether those women would enter into the deal of their own free will. My first hunch is he is a selfish old man. But maybe I'm wrong.

I have traveled and can testify that women of that society are given great respect in ways that women in this society do not and visa versa. The cultures are different but your characterisation is simply egotistical and ignorant with respect to other cultures.

Nope, it's not my ego at all. It would be nice if we could test these women. If a prospective bride were offered two options, 1 being marry the guy, 2 being get a low paying entry level job at a shop in Dubai, I think 99% of the prospective brides would choose the job option. That they are not given that simple options is indicative of the earlier slavery comments, and lack of respect for women comments that I was making. You can call not bothering a woman in a veil respect. I call it something else.

And now, I gotta go....
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