Hate Speech!
Well, I've done my period scan of the liberal threads and have the unfortunate task of reporting that there has been Hate Speech on The View thread. A little background - the Larry Craig incident has been the primary topic of conversation on that thread ever since the story broke and most posters have expressed the Politically Correct hatred for the evil monster Larry Craig, who has been a Nazi stormtrooper like persecutor of gays by opposing gay marriage and claiming to possess "family values". This, of course. has "hurt many people".
But the ritual denunciation of Craig took an unpleasant turn into hate speech directed at sexual noncomformists:
To: Cogito who wrote (41006) 9/4/2007 3:35:28 PM
From: Steve Lokness Read Replies (2) of 41080
Allen;
And of course there are gay men (and women) who are involved in long term monogamous relationships. Any objection?
While your question was not to me - my answer to your question is that I have no problem with the long term monogamous homosexual relationship. That is assuming they have their sex in privacy and not in a public stall.
You're conflating homosexuality and pedophila
Not me. I think it is you and Iktomi and others who are confusing an issue of privacy and what you do in your own bedroom - with damaging and scary behavior by perverts doing things in public places that just cannot be allowed by any society that cares about kids and decency. The defense of beastiality and neclophilia and random perverts having homosexual sex in public restrooms just leaves me shaking my head. ........While what Craig did was not pedophilia, your argument that it isn't, doesn't mean that people enjoying reckless sex won't indeed prey on children at some point - some do some don't. That Craig claimed to not be homosexual - while seemingly exploring reckless sex, suggest the man is sick and needs help. You give Craig some kind of pass because he is a senator that you would never give to a creep in a public bathroom who would make you shiver in disgust had you walked in on him performing a homosexual act. There is right and wrong here and it has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.
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To: Cogito who wrote (41032) 9/5/2007 11:28:39 AM
From: Steve Lokness Read Replies (1) of 41080
Cogito;
he statement that "some do and some don't" eventually end up preying on children applies just as well to people who do not engage in random sex in public bathrooms.
That statement almost implies there is no difference between normal relationships and abnormal sexual relationships. Here is what I think;
Humans through a long evolutionary trail have developed a relationship between man and woman that guarantees the continuation of the specie. That normal relationship is reinforced by social programming developed by our ancestors. For instance sisters and brothers don't marry. .......When something goes wrong either in the genetic side or the social side, abnormalities result. People born with homosexual desires, is now I think often contributed as a genetic result. Likewise, people who grow up in conflicted families, often produce problem children - adults.
If we ever as a society treat all sexual deviants (perverts, pedophiles, beastiality etc) as just doing their own thing and grant them a blanket pass, we are destroying the societal restraints that have been developed over generations. Doesn't mean for an instant that we should not be compassionate to homosexuals who live a good life in a monogamous relationship. It does mean we should never drop our societal restraints and blanket disgust when we see adhorant perverted random sex in public bathrooms.
steve
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First the erring hatefilled poster mentioned "decency" - a silly bourgeois concept used to villify sexual noncomformists. Then he called people who have homosexual sex in public restrooms "perverts" - a hate word for gays, bis, lesbians, and transgenders and other sexual noncomformists. Then he spoke of someone shivering in "disgust had you walked in on him performing a homosexual act". Doesn't he know homosexual sex is a noble and honored expression of love regardless of where it occurs? Even its between two or more anonymous strangers?
He doesn't seem to realize anonymous sex in restrooms is pretty normal for gays. After all that's why gay legal groups defend the practice and work to end persecution of the people who do it. See the lambda legal fund:
LAMBDAlegal.org/take-action/tool-kits/little-black-book/little-black-book.html'>http://www.LAMBDAlegal.org/take-action/tool-kits/little-black-book/little-black-book.html
The poor poster has been brainwashed by propagandistic programs like Will and Grace where the gay guys never have sex but simply mope around being sensitive best friends to females.
Then in the second post he cites "a relationship between man and woman .." as "that normal relationship". As if all other possible relationships aren't normal! At least he attributes his narow-minded prejudice to evolution rather than citing a religious faith, but still .... this is the height of intolerance. And intolerance based on "morality", we know, is the only sin.
Continuing the hate-filled rant, he says "if we as a society treat all sexual deviants ... as just doing their own thing and grant them a blanket pass, we are destroying the societal restraints that have been developed over generations."
That's pure social conservatism! And on the View thread. Shocking!
Here are the innocent broad-minded posts that set off the poster's hate-filled rants. The perfectly rational poster points out with brilliant liberal logic that killing animals for food is just as bad as bestiality and so since slaughtering animals for food is legal, bestiality ought to be too. And necrophilia involves dead people who can't possibly not consent, so it should be allowed too. To think otherwise is to give credence to silly moral shibboleths which have no place in an enlightened liberal society.
To: WhiffleMcMalfie who wrote (40975)
9/3/2007 8:15:17 PM
From: Iktomi
Read Replies (2) 40977of 41086
rofl
the box turtle thing really got me
I know I'm often alone on this, but seeing as how we butcher animals to eat chunks of their flesh, I'm not really sure having sex with them is all that bad, as long as it doesn't involve cruelty. I've never understood the weirdness about necrophilia either. Talk about a victimless crime - assuming you just happen to stumble upon a fetching corpse, and don't create them yourself.
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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (40979) 9/3/2007 10:22:08 PM
From: Iktomi Read Replies (1) of 41080
um
It may be strange behavior, but my point is, who cares? I mean, when I make a law about something, I'd want it to be something that matters. Not that anyone is championing animal sex or necrophilia- not even me- I have zero interest in those things and think they are kind of odd pursuits, but the point is, if you are willing to kill animals, and often butcher them alive in production line "errors", it just seems illogical to get upset about BESTIALITY, and to make it illegal. I realize it's some sort of moral shibboleth, but it makes no logical sense to me to make laws about moral shibboleths. Rail about them in church, get up on a box in the park and complain, but leave the law out of it.
I guess I'm just a libertarian about most behavior- when it really doesn't affect the rest of us- but for the "eeeeew" factor. And I really don't think the police ought to be running around policing an "eeeeew" factor.
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But alas liberal moral shibboleth-free rationality couldn't be handled by the close-minded hater:
To: Iktomi who wrote (40977) 9/3/2007 9:02:11 PM
From: Steve Lokness Read Replies (2) 40979of 41086
Iktomi;
but seeing as how we butcher animals to eat chunks of their flesh, I'm not really sure having sex with them is all that bad
You don't see the difference between eating a hamburger and having sex with a horse? I can't tell you how far apart we are on this issue. This is the kind of sick crap that when argued for by liberals just moves people in mass to the right and to republicans! It is why we don't get legislation from the center......Sick perverts having random sex in public bathrooms where kids must use toilets, beastiality and having sex with dead people - none of this is normal nor accepted by the majority of people. It is all sick. It is sick and a sign of morality breakdown. It is about as far from the center as one can get.
steve
Message 23850199;
What horrendous moral value judgments - "sick crap", "sick perverts", "morality breakdown". And the poster doesn't understand the meaning of "center" either. "Center" on SI means far far far left. |
