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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (16623)10/3/2007 12:00:28 AM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) of 36917
 
Well even McIntyre says that there is a record of warming in one of the three areas he shows:

Third here is a plot for the two Antarctic Peninsula stations, which while, they don’t show the 1930s, do show a definite temperature increase over their history. There is a long record at Puntas Arenas in southern Chile which doesn’t have a Waldo-trend though, so whatever trend is taking place in the Antarctic Peninsula doesn’t appear to extend to southern South America. For reference, the Antarctic Peninsula (about the latitude of Norway) is where the Larsen ice shelves have broken off.

It is difficult to measure warming on an entire continent. No, make that next to impossible for a continent like Antarctica.

Look, science has this aura of certainty and "yes or no" answers for people who aren't scientists. But many "scientific" questions don't have simple "yes or no" answers. Is it or isnt' it. The answers science gives are frequently "The preponderance of evidence suggests" or "It is a high probability that" or "It is very likely that" etc. Science is inherently cautious. The very nature of experimentation and the necessity of duplication forces this. That is what so absurd about people who say things like "Aha, this proves GW." Or "Aha, this disproves GW." Or "You can't prove it!" It is so much blahblahblah. No one observation or experiment "proves" anything outside of the whole institutional context in which it occurs. And if it doesn't occur within any scientific context, it isn't scientific. At least not until scientists generally put it in a context in which it can be verified or falsified.
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