>>Not a percentage equal to the amount someone that left their estate to their children would pay.<<
he'll actually pay a higher percent than 99.999% of the population. i guess you are right that he'll pay less than the the top 100 or so people in this nation.
oh, to cherry pick numbers without conscience must make life so free!
>>I didn't say either thing.
I said it's inconsistent to say you don't want to leave your estate to government because you want good value for your money and want it to reflect your own personal values and then insist that people that believe in leaving it to their children should have to send a chunk to government and cope with those downsides because you don't like "their" values.<<
you misstate warren's guiding principle. he believes that wealthy folks ought to give back to the society that made them wealthy. that's the guiding principle. giving to charity is one way to do that and warren supports everyone's right to do so on a tax free basis. warren would complain very loudly if anyone tried to take away TAX FREE giving.
for those who don't feel they need to give anything back to society, they should be forced to give back some of their wealth via taxes.
giving to charity is consistent with his view, as is paying the death tax. warren did both and both are consistent with his guiding view that giving back to society is good. warren has given more to charity than any other human on the planet (to my knowledge). he will also pay more death taxes than all but a very, very, very=, very, very, very small number of people.
you've created some straw man in your head to make him into a hypocrite and it is as absurd now as it was then. he is consistent with his *real* guiding principle.
i know you disagree with his point of view and that is fine. but you called him a hypocritical for giving to charity instead of paying everything in a death tax. you are wrong. it is completely consistent with his philosophy of giving back to society. as is paying the death tax.
warren has *never* criticized anyone for giving to a legitimate charity that fills a true human need. he never chided anyone for giving to charity and, thereby, reduce their death tax bill.
never did it.
>>I never said any such thing. This is more of the same BS technique you used in our prior discussions. You are claiming I said something I didn't say then attacking me for it. WE can't discuss anything if this continues.<<
i may have misunderstood your point. rather than clarify and provide numbers for open discussion... you shut down any talk of numbers that might shed light on the impact of the death tax on one's children.
i'm not afraid of the numbers.
>>I said that both the individuals with the money and society as a whole would get better value if the money wasn't sent to government. Plus it would better reflect the values of the givers.<<
i can't argue for government efficiency b/c those thieves are stealing from the citizens. however, if there was no government, even if corrupt, life would be far worse in the hands of a militaristic dictatorship. so, who pays to avoid the dictatorship? you are spending lots of time making sure the wealthy pays less.
who is left to pay?
>>If I inherited 60 or 80 million it wouldn't change my life much (in reality I will inherit nothing but incremental family responsibilities that my patents are taking care of now). However, I am pretty sure I would get better value with that extra 20 million than the tax man would.<<
again, i can't argue for government efficiency. i just can't. having said that, your anecdotal evidence stacked upon a hypothetical foundation doesn't hold any sway and misses the point - better value for whom? yourself? of that, i have no doubt.
for a person less fortunate than you (uh, i mean less talented, less handsome, less hard working and all around less worthy than yourself since they obviously didn't try as hard as you), maybe not so much.
i think that is warren's point. somebody has to care for the folks often dehumanized as "less than" by the haves who have made so much money off the "less thans."
>>My parents would also be happier if it was used in ways that reflected our family values and not the way government is likely to use it.<<
it sounds like you and your family don't like paying taxes, you just like getting the benefits of said taxes.
news flash! someone has to pay to avoid the militaristic dictatorship. if not the wealthy, who?
after all, you argument against the death tax is equally valid against any form of taxation. this seems to be the logical conclusion based upon the data you've given - but do please correct me if i've reached the wrong conclusion. if so, do explain why you only oppose the death tax and not other forms of taxation. |
