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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: combjelly who wrote (362958)12/16/2007 1:40:13 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) of 1578022
 
just supporting military recruiting or ROTC isn't risking your life.

You're missing the point. Military enlistment does involve a willingness to risk one's life. Why do liberals oppose people doing that?

"What makes you think foreign enemies have constitutional rights?"

We have always extended certain rights to everyone when on our soil.


First, the people are foreign enemies and aren't on our soil.

Second, if the US had ever been invaded by a foreign enemy, we wouldn't treat the captured enemy as citizen criminals.

"In June 1942, eight German saboteurs were delivered to the east coast of the United States via U-boats, with the intent to attack, destroy and terrorise. But they were apprehended almost immediately, and six of the eight were executed.
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The eight were tried before a Military Commission, appointed by President Roosevelt. They were all found guilty and sentenced to death."

thehistorychannel.co.uk

suddenly declaring this is an unprecedented threat and we have to jettison our laws is how democracies turn into dictatorships.

We haven't jettisoned any laws.

"Let's take one - the false claim that the US invaded Iraq to steal its oil."

Umm. Ok. What about the false claims that the administration has made? Their rational for invading Iraq has changed many times. The fact of the matter is that there isn't any consistent reason for us invading Iraq.


Yes, there was. Saddam was believed to be nearing possession of WMD's (especially nuclear weapons). The actual facts of how involved his programs were wasn't known till after the war.

"Good, I showed that the FF's weren't primarily a bunch of agnostics and free-thinkers as liberals frequently claim. "

Not really. Virtually all of them considered themselves part of the Enlightenment.


That would have been news to them. The term hadn't been coined yet.

Which was all about being a free-thinker.

Free-thinker is a term that atheists and agnostics use for themselves. None of the FF's are known to have been atheists or agnostics.

You did show that the majority were either Anglican or Congregationalists. Which were the two religions which were established as the only legal religions in most of the colonies.

You forgot that Presbyterians were as numerous or more numerous than Congregationalists and that wasn't an established church anywhere in the colonies. The religious affiliation of the FF's was similar to that of the population as a whole. The FF's included Quakers, Unitarians, Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans, and Reformed Christians.

You even tried to paint Jefferson as an ardent Christian.

He wasn't.


He thought he was. He attended church regularly when at home, often going by himself on horseback. That his personal doctrinal views were unorthodox, doesn't change the fact that he considered himself a Christian.
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