Perhaps you miss the point. This stuff flares up, dies down, flares up again, .....
No Laz its not just a random walk, or some long term cycle that constantly repeats. There is development over time. Things are different than they used to be.
Which isn't to say that its impossible that it could ever happen again, but that would be a major change, that might not happen, or might not happen for a very very long time.
How many examples do you need?
One relevant one would be nice. I'm still waiting.
Yeah? Then why are all the IRA members Catholic and all their non-military opponents (military as in forces sent in by the UK) Protestant?
Yeah.
The fact that the different sides are different religions isn't enough to make a war in to a religious war.
What's that mean in English?
That was in English, isn't all that complex, and was the actual point that you where supposedly replying to while you went off on a tangent about Constantine.
If a Christian had shot and killed Andy Warhol when he exhibited that crucifix in a jar of p***, would or would that not count?
Andres Serrano not Andy Warhol.
That would count, but not as a mass movement or a typical response. If as a response Christians all over the country started massive protests, burning down several art galleries, and calling for Serrano to be tried and executed for blasphemy in a religious court it would count.
"Hardly a mass movement, and again not a response to insulting Christianity or to art or literature."
So you think their acts have nothing to do with beliefs taught by certain Christian sects?
Your attacking a straw man, not my actual response, despite the fact that you quote it.
"All of which isn't very relevant to the point that its pretty hard to find a violent reaction from Christian these days in response to someone insulting Christianity."
I'd agree with that.
But it was the whole point you where arguing against.
A fraction of Muslims are like the Orthodox Jews or the Religious Right
That's true. And its a relatively large fraction. But the real point is the smaller fraction that is even more fundamentalist and is violent or at least supports violence in the name of the religious ideals. Such a faction exists in Christianity but its very tiny and marginalized. Its much bigger and more popular in the Islamic world. Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. aren't the equivalent of the "religious right", even the most extreme tenth of it. Maybe the most extreme 100,000th of it.
Remember Serbia and Bosnia?
Another irrelevant example. At least its fairly recent, but its not directly relevant because it isn't about a violent response to a religious insult, and also again its more a nationalist issue than a religious one. It wasn't a fight about theological interpretation, people where not trying to force worship practices or religious declarations on each other. It was largely a fight for control of land. Beyond that it was a fight between different nationalistic groups. Yes the groups had distinct religions but that doesn't make it a religious war any more than WWII in the Pacific (with a mostly Christian US against Japanese who where mostly Buddhist or Shinto. |
