Let's cut out the arguing about the word naturalism. Do we know that no divine power has had anything to do with the origin of the universe and life? Yes or no.
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You seem to think others are so insecure that you can embarrass them into jumping into the orthodox AGW boat lest they be thought ignorant flat-earthers.
No, many ignorant people are very secure, that is partly why they stay ignorant.
And you continue with more of the same.
Its a fact that Christians created modern science, that Christians created the university back in the Dark Ages, and that until the last century or so, virtually all scientists were Christians, many of them devout, and many scientists are Christians.
You seem to be forgetting Greeks and Arabs both of whom contributed a very substantial foundation which western science later built on.
No, but modern science has gone far beyond the Greeks etc.
There is no inherit problem in Christians being good scientists. Only some Christian groups have decided that science is in direct conflict with their beliefs, and have chosen to turn their backs on scientific knowledge.
I'd say some atheist groups have decided that and use "science" as a club against religion - see Dawkins, Dennett, Sam Harris, etc etc.
Much the same happened in the Arab world, which had quite the headstart on science compared to Europe in the Dark Ages.
I think the Arab worlds achievements are overrated, but thats another subject.
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When one looks at the 10 warmest years of the past century, instead of seeing them all grouped in the past decade or two as one would think if human produced CO2 were driving the earth's climate, we see a big clump of warm years back in the 1930's. Within that cluster of warm years is the earth's warmest year of the past century, 1934. How does one account for this?
Please do show me such a graph. See my previous post, 2'nd graph. Please note that even this is just NH, but the SH lacks as much data, so the reconstructions are rather less reliable there. I don't see the hottest years in the 1930's. Why would you make such a odd statement?
You don't get it. You made a point that NASA had accepted McIntyre's corrections which then made 1934 the warmest year of the past century. Any graph which shows the 1930's, particularly 1934, as being substantially cooler than later years must be wrong. How does one accept that 1934 was the warmest year of the past century and still put forward graphs showing it as a lot cooler? |
