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Strategies & Market Trends : Ride the Tiger with CD

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To: Amark$p who wrote (121790)7/6/2008 7:19:19 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (2) of 313059
 
That's the general gist of it, these two pieces though are mostly making the point that a majority of ejidatarios support the mine and expect to work there, only a minority is holding out for more, and they've been involving outsiders, including 'leaders of NGOs', the diputado Muñoz Ponce has been in the area helping the majority express their position ... here is the article from friday - vozenred.com

'en rueda de prenda' - typo, should be de prensa, 'press conference' ... Dolor = 'pain', dolores = 'pains' ... Madera = 'Wood', that program translates even the names of mine and municipio, as in Ecuador where Correa = 'strap', lol

Btw, ejido is the name of the organisation, each member is called an ejidatario, each is the head of an household, has the right and duty to attend asamblea and vote

Sounds to me like two or more individuals elected to the comisariado last year decided to re-negotiate this signed and sealed deal ... it would be interesting to hear exactly what positions each member of the comisariado is taking, and where stand members of the consejo de vigilancia ... although it would NOT be cool to publish much of this on the net, especially no names, because those 'outsiders' mentioned above are likely highly literate little dickhead urban faux-marxist googlers, if you hand them any opportunity to paint you as the great evil foreigner they will do so instantly, and invasion of privacy is an intensely serious thing in this culture, will be construed as direct physical threat

The Ley Agraria is quite clear that the job of the comisariado is to execute decisions voted on in asamblea, so if it is true that the majority is in favour of the mine, then it is a matter of bringing it to a vote, the consejo de vigilancia has the right to do this, they could frame it in the form of censure of the presidente de comisariado for blocking employment, if as a group enough wanted to get it over and done with [which is seldom the case, fwiw, often these things drag on and on because nobody wants to offend one or two strong personalities, whether through fear or family connections or just habit ... 'Local politics can be the dirtiest and most baffling', this is as true in México as in BC] ... but comisariados have been removed for ignoring the will of asamblea, consejos exist to watch for that very thing, among others ... if two or more of the three consejo members are with the dissidents, plus a majority of the comisariado [three to perhaps seven members total], then don't hold your breath on making a mine ... from all i've read so far [which is not much really], this is unlikely to be the case, it looks like a small group with ambitions of extortion has brought in outsiders to ballyhoo their cause, no big deal unless the company screws up by trying to push the river - let locals sort it out, they're doing fine, got this priísta chap on the case already

If a significant majority want the mine then it will go ahead, simple as that, and i would expect the majority will want that ... one concern is that the new houses [from a previous article] do not have milpas near them, this is a change of culture, quite radical, means people cannot grow their own food, which would be fine for those who don't want to, and who make enough at the mine to buy food, still an ejido is by nature formed of people rooted in self-sufficiency, close to the land, it would go better for the company if that basic need for one's own land was respected, whether currently in the deal or not, it's just common sense ... also after the mine - i don't know what's in the agreement regarding reclamation, but the only sensible way for the company is to guarantee a greater quantity of higher quality agricultural land than there was before they arrived on the scene ... doesn't take that much, set aside such topsoil as possible, spread it later after reasonable levelling and smoothing, do some soil amendment if applicable, terracing maybe, surveying/fencing/roadwork even, not a big dollar in relation to value extracted
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