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Politics : American Presidential Politics and foreign affairs
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To: ManyMoose who wrote (28969)7/14/2008 11:50:06 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) of 71588
 
Re: "This is a silly discussion."

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.... (I said at the outset that this was just a theoretical legal discussion... and that quite likely no Judge in the land would ever have the guts to step into this minefield by accepting a case.)

Re: "McCain was born of US citizens"

(I ALSO said --- several times! --- that because he was born of two American citizens, that made him an AMERICAN CITIZEN, and that no one anywhere was disputing that. So, no sense in dragging out that point above - since it's has already and always been conceded.)

The QUESTION posed was: Is he 'natural born' by the meaning of that Constitutional Amendment which places that extra, and higher, requirement upon anyone who desires to sit in the office of the Presidency.....

Re: "on soil that is the equivalent of sovereign US territory."

I have no idea what 'the equivalent of sovereign US territory' IS SUPPOSED TO LEGALLY MEAN.

(Is that 'kinda tastes like chicken, or kinda tastes like Spam?)

The facts of the matter may be few, but they are solidly part of American history:

1) The Canal Zone was *never* incorporated as part of the United States of America. Was *never* a State, and *never* a Territory.

2) Further proof of the fact that people who were BORN in the Canal Zone (prior to the law which was passed about one year after McCain's birth which changed the legal status...) were not legally American citizens MERELY BY VIRTUE OF HAVING BEEN BORN IN THE ZONE was given by the MANY CASES where the US government *deported* people who had been born in the Zone to foreign nations. --- You CANNOT 'deport' your own citizens, so this fact GIVES EXTRA WEIGHT TO THE POSITION THAT AMERICAN COURTS FROM THE TIME DID NOT CONSIDER THE ZONE TO BE AN 'INCORPORATED PART OF AMERICA'.
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