Eracer:
You are obviously unqualified to say anything about this, one way or the other. The verbage used in that 12/13/2007 presentation said that Fusion covers mobile, gaming, commercial and serving (its even on the "roadmap" presentation as APU computing). Shrike is but one implementation and even there, it was stated to be used in low end desktop/commercial (read business) as well as mobile. Something designed for mobile doesn't mean it has to be used in mobile only.
As to Nehalem desktop being low cost, someone forgot to tell Intel that Nehalem MBs can't be 8 layers (might be able to get it down to 6). 8 layer MBs go for $250 and up. An $80-100 CPU doesn't mean much when it has to be paired with a $250 MB and a $50 discrete GPU. Especially when the competition can put an equally useful CPU/GPU/MB combo together for under $200. Or blow it away with a CPU, high end discrete GPU (4850), MB combo of $350.
Besides there are more points to make it a trend, though it is difficult going back to R200s and such as there are few benchmarks for comparison, but you won't look them up because of what you fear to find.
As to AMD not going to 2nd gen 45nm SOI, well they can't make Shrike without going to it as it was a point even on that "roadmap" and it has an integrated GPU on die. Its part of their mix and match cores concept. Since they are going to have to lay it out for 2nd gen 45nm SOI anyway, it makes a lot of sense to switch completely over to that process. It makes it easier to support just one process for a design series and it can boost fab utilization during slow periods. When more capacity is needed there is always Chartered plus IBM and now TSMC is going for that ability. And its far more likely than a $100 QC Nehalem launching in Q2/07 of any speed.
You conceeded the point of check box importance. I merely responded about your foolish statement that 780G couldn't play games at playable frame rates at normal screen sizes.
THe 780G does play one DirectX 10.1 game at playable rates, Assassin's Creed:
"R 1.1 now has a heatsink like the MA78GPM-DS2H. The other two boards’ (r 1.0) heatsink’s were overly inadequate and needed to be replaced (thermaltake on one, thermalright on the other). This rig was built for my brother, and he’ll be picking up either a 3870 or a 4850. The onboard video will play HL2 and Assassins creed, but not on the highest settings (at 1050x1680). When we get tired of playing on the 21 Samsung, it’s great to move to a 50” 1080p via HDMI."
newegg.com
It appears that DirectX 11 is just 10.1 with all options required. If 780G can play a DX11 game (10.1) at playable rates, one year from now, Shrike should boost by quite a bit the settings allowed for playable rates on DX11 games. And even you will conceed that a HD3850 can play DX10 games at reasonable rates on typical budget PC LCD resolutions and settings.
Point, set and match.
Pete |
